Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

[Charles Philips]

Cool. Where is he?

How do you know you're citing "His Word?"

You've not provided any evidence. Just bare claims. As we can see from this very post where you say that "my proof is God Himself" which doesn't make any sense.

God hides from the reprobate, He only reveals Himself to His Elect Saints. But everyone will stand before Him on judgement day. He will say, "depart from me into the everlasting fire, for I never knew you".

 

[Trailblazer]

I can't think of any religious text that doesn't have internal contradictions and errors.

Some Baha'is will claim that the Baha'i Writings have no internal contradictions or errors but I am not one of those Baha'is.
It takes a special kind of fundamentalism to believe that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

God hides from the reprobate, He only reveals Himself to His Elect Saints. But everyone will stand before Him on judgement day. He will say, "depart from me into the everlasting fire, for I never knew you".

He asked you to give evidence that the Bible is God's word. Your response above does not do that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Some Baha'is will claim that the Baha'i Writings have no internal contradictions or errors but I am not one of those Baha'is.
It takes a special kind of fundamentalism to believe that.

I adore you. Thank you for your refreshing honesty. You have just moved up on the ladder of credibility.

 

[Trailblazer]

God hides from the reprobate,

God hides from everyone, according to your inerrant Bible.

Exodus 33:20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

He only reveals Himself to His Elect Saints. But everyone will stand before Him on judgement day. He will say, "depart from me into the everlasting fire, for I never knew you".

God revealed Himself to everyone in this new day, the Day of God, and all will stand before Him on Judgment Day, especially the Christians who rejected His New Messenger. Woe betide the heedless, and those are not the atheists. One cannot reject a God they don't believe exists.

 

[Trailblazer]

He asked you to give evidence that the Bible is God's word. Your response above does not do that.

He has no evidence because there is no evidence, only a faith-based belief.

 

[McBell]

Exodus 33:20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”

I have wondered about this verse from time to time over the years.
Does God kill you then reveal his face or does he reveal his face then kill you?

Quite a conundrum.

 

[Trailblazer]

It seems like most people in this forum fit into one of two boxes. Either the "God wrote the Bible and it has no errors" box, or the "Bible was written innumerable authors and contains both contradictions and inaccuracies" box. And never the twain shall meet.

Please put me in the second box, the box of reason.

 

[McBell]

He asked you to give evidence that the Bible is God's word. Your response above does not do that.

In order to prove the Bible is Gods Word, would not one need prove that said god exists?

 

[Charles Philips]

Now please, you cannot just claim "circular reasoning". Circular reasoning is your sin. You try to use the Bible to prove the Bible. You also do not understand the scientific method which was formed to take explanations out of the circular reasoning realm.

By your silly standards I did refute your claim. In fact I did better than you did. All you did was to make a claim with a link to a bogus site. You did not support any of the supposed prophecies. By the way, quote mined verses are not prophecies. You need to be specific when you make a prophecy since almost any book can be quote mined in that fashion. By that standard I can say that the Bible refutes God's existence since about a dozen times or more, not just the one verse that you are familiar with it says "There is no God". Quote mining is not an honest way to argue. Don't do it.

Again a lot of baseless words and no substance. Sorry but I can't afford to place my eternal security in your private Subjective Circular Reasoning. You failed to prove anything, all you have to back your claims is SCR, and that just doesn't work on me. I'm far too intelligent to fall for that kool aid stuff

 

[Trailblazer]

I have wondered about this verse from time to time over the years.
Does God kill you then reveal his face or does he reveal his face then kill you?

Quite a conundrum.

There is no conundrum. God does not kill anyone.

God never reveals His face because God has no face. Only humans have faces.
"You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live” means that no one will ever see God because if we saw God we would all die from the Light of God.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It seems to me that you Googled “bible contradictions” and that you are just throwing the ones that we found without thinking twice.

I didn't, actually. The contradictions in the Gospel narratives about the death and resurrection of Jesus are famous.

I mean, if they didn’t told anyone, then how did Mark know?

Do you think arguing that Mark is obviously false helps to support the idea that the Gospels are all true?

Obviously they are talking abut that particular moment, they didn’t told anyone in that moment… you don’t even need creative interpretations, this is how you would interpret that in your daily life………………

So now you're reinterpreting "they said nothing to anyone" as "there's no telling how many people they told"?

Is your goal here to look completely ridiculous?

 

[Trailblazer]

In order to prove the Bible is Gods Word, would not one need prove that said god exists?

Yes you would, but even if you could prove that God exists that would not mean that the Bible is God's Word.
You would also have to prove that God inspired the Bible...

A God could exist and not have inspired the Bible.

 

[McBell]

There is no conundrum. God does not kill anyone.

God never reveals His face because God has no face. Only humans have faces.
"You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live” means that no one will ever see God because if we saw God we would all die from the Light of God.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

So it is AFTER seeing his face they die cause like looking at Medusa's face causes people to turn to stone, gods face just kills you.

 

[Trailblazer]

Thank you for your refreshing honesty.

I call it like I see it and if some Baha'is don't like it that's too bad.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I call it like I see it and if some Baha'is don't like it that's too bad.

I understand. I'm sure that some of the other Jews in the forum are probably not that happy with my own liberal ideas about the Torah, so I get it.

But honestly, from the bottom of my heart, I simply respect someone FAR MORE who says, "you know what, there are problems I can't resolve, but despite that, I still have a meaningful religious faith," than someone who does logical backflips to deny the problems.

 

[Trailblazer]

So it is AFTER seeing his face they die cause like looking at Medusa's face causes people to turn to stone, gods face just kills you.

Maybe you need to get your nose out the the Bible.
God has no face because God is not a human.

God does have Light (ever heard of the Light of God?) but we cannot know anything about that Light.
God protects us from that Light by not coming to earth.
Instead of showing up on earth God sends Messengers as intermediaries.
They reflect the Light of God but protect us from the full impact. Problem solved!

 

[McBell]

Maybe you need to get your nose out the the Bible.
God has no face because God is not a human.

God does have Light (ever heard of the Light of God?) but we cannot know anything about that Light.
God protects us from that Light by not coming to earth.
Instead of showing up on earth God sends Messengers as intermediaries.
They reflect the Light of God but protect us from the full impact. Problem solved!

Nice little sermon.

But it fails to address that seeing gods face kills you.
thus you die after seeing his face.

 

[Charles Philips]

Erm, actually, yes.

I assume you are referring to the Bible. I realize it is an item of faith for you to believe that the Bible is the word of God. But you have no evidence of this. It's no different than a Muslim claiming that the Quran is the Word of God.

And I would wager that you also hold corollary beliefs, such as that God inspired the texts, also unprovable, and that they are inerrant, which can be disproven.

I'm not bringing this up to try to dissuade you from your beliefs about the Bible. I only bring this up because in a debate with someone, you cannot use the Bible as evidence unless that person ALSO shares your assumptions. For example, I assume that you don't accept the Book of Mormon as the Word of God. That means that an LDS guy debating with you cannot use the BoM as evidence of anything, since you don't accept its authority. In the same way, you cannot appeal to the Bible to prove "this is what God says" to anyone who does not share your belief in the Bible.

The only difference with the Bible and Christianity, to all other religions is. We have hundreds fulfilled prophecies and miracles to prove the the Bible is Gods Word just as He said it is.
We also have hundreds of millions of personal testimonies confirming the same thing as they exhibit the fruits of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

All the other religions make many claims but they have zero evidence to support any of their claims, including Judaism.

 

[Charles Philips]

When @Colt said the Bible is full of errors and contradictions as well as inaccurate historical claims but the problem is that some of the Bible is true he was spot on.

Yes, spot on according to you. But thankfully, that's just your private unqualified ignorant opinion