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Does the Bible mention Islam?
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Unveiled Artist
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Yes. True. They're -not- different in monotheism, results of practice, and disciplined devotion. Taking away the trinity part though thats critical to christianity but highly misinterpreted given the church politics.
Having no belief in god doesn't change the truth of these three religions. If I went off my views, I'd have different opinions about each.
Yes. Differences are cool.
They're not black and white differences but by no means the same purpose. Gosh. Human sacrifice alone at its basic core just putting the word Human in it creates a divide.
Bad and negative? No.
I can see how all three believe in the same god (nontrinatrians view). I just don't read they have the same purpose. Another thing is Islam and Judaism doesn't even define god (as so read). Christians do.
Bad? No. Not negative either.
How does Islam view jesus as the son of God?
Do they believe god has a son?
How does their belief about gods son similar to christians belief in gods son?
How is Islam similar to Christianity and Judaism? - IslamiCity
Here are some similarities and differences between the three faiths. A lot of things they have in common and the foundations they do not. But they do believe in the same god so I guess it depends what each religious wants to get out of the books.
As a non book person, I'd say if they all believe in the same god, their experiences would be the sole decided in who believes what and how. I don't think any muslim and jewish feels they need a human sacrifice to be saved. Christian practice are far and in between but most if not all don't see Need to pray five times a day as told muslims need to. As for jews, christians and muslims aren't chosen people so the similarities really depends on the person.
I don't see the benefit of finding similarities in scripture and theology rather than discussing with each other similarities in experiences and thoughts about god.
But, division isn't bad. I see more differences in Islam (especially it's history, my gosh) than similarities. But if we are talking about same god, charity, love, and devotion, they are similar.
Their are differences and there are similarities none worse than the other. If I knew more I'd do a thread on sharing experiences between the religious of these three faiths (if they talks that is) and find pick a tooth on similarities there. I'm sure even beyond stubbornness even though the theology conflicts if you guys believe the same god, the foundation of your experiences do not.
It is much easier to reconcile Hinduism and Buddhism to an Abrahamic paradigm than it is to reconcile the Abrahamic Faiths to a Dharmic philosophy. Ultimately they are all Abrahamic and all Dharmic and transcendent the murmur of sounds and syllables.
His adversary is the author of confusion....why do we think that God warned about false prophets? The credentials of a true prophet were clear....so do all qualify?
The three essentials for establishing the credentials of a true prophet, as given through Moses, were: The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass (Deuteronomy 18:20-22); and his prophesying must promote true worship, being in harmony with God’s revealed word and commandments. (Deuteronomy 13:1-4)
The last requirement was probably the most vital and decisive, for an individual might hypocritically use God’s name, and by coincidence, his prediction might see fulfillment. But the true prophet was not solely or even primarily a prognosticator, as has been shown. Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters. (Isa 1:10-20; Mic 6:1-12)
So did any prophet except Israel's, speak in the name of YHWH?
Abrahamic religions tend to avoid the use of God's name which includes Jews, Muslims and Christians......and so do any others who see that they have a horse in this race. God would only allow his own to bear his name.
Did the things foretold come true in the setting that God foretold?
Israel's prophets were accurate within the context in which they were given. God never once endorsed false worship, but warned his people in the strongest possible terms that they were NOT to associate with those who worshipped other gods or who believed contrary to his written word.
Did the things prophesied promote true worship?
This is another very important aspect, because when we consider the Samaritans, because they too considered Yahweh to be their God and even accepted their own version of the Pentateuch, yet they were not Jews and Jesus made it clear that salvation originated with the Jews. (John 4:22-24) So, its about how and who one is worshipping.
Not every word outside of God's written word is from God.
Jesus was the "Logos" or God's spokesman.....but the "word of God" was also scripture (John 17:15-17).....which was the written record of God's dealing with just one nation.....Israel. There is no place for Ishmael or Mohammad or Islam to feature in the Biblical scenario, or for any other prophet to be sent after Jesus (Hebrews 1:1-4)......except as the false worship that God warned his people not to follow. God has not sent a whole lot of different prophets into the world with all different messages.....that would not consistent with him being a "God of order". It would just be very confusing. There is one truth....just one......and its up to us to find it.
Jesus said that "few" are on the right track, so you can't go by numbers. (Matthew 7:13-14)
There are no prophets of God who spoke in the name of a foreign deity. All of the prophets from the time of Moses were Jewish.....not Islamic. The promises were made to Abraham and his seed....Isaac, Jacob and the tribes of Israel that descended from them. Jesus was Jewish....Islam has no place in God's arrangement. There were to be no other prophets after Jesus (Hebrews 1:1-4).....there was no need because "knowledge" of the complete word of God would become available to all in "the time of the end". Only then would all the prophesies in the whole Bible, make sense to a people 'cleansed, whitened and refined' at that time, prepared for the return of the Master. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10; Matthew 24:42-44)
shmogie
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For every thesis, there is an antithesis. For every truth there are lies. For anything genuine, there is a counterfeit.
Islam is certainly the product of a powerful spiritual entity, but Not God.
This entity created the religions of baál and molech and others that the Israelites, the chosen representatives of God, found to be abominations and with whom they were in a constant state of friction.
As Judaism followed its own course as defined by the prophets of God, the Messiah first of Israel then the whole world was made manifest among men.
God had promised Israel that they were his special people forever, and they are, yet, by rejecting the Messiah and the new covenant he offered, they put themselves out of harmony with God, a state which will ultimately be rectified.
Christianity became the keeper of the New Covenant, with the responsibility of spreading the Good news of Gods forgiveness and salvation through his Son, Yeshua, Jesus, The Christ, The Messiah.
There is only one way for humankind to have this salvation. Jesus said I am The Way, The Truth, and the Life, no man Comes to the Father but by Me.
These it is, unequivocal , perfectly clear, there is no doubt.
That other spiritual entity, out of hatred of God, seeks to harm God by ensnaring his children and leading them away from the only way of their salvation.
Thus all faith structures not built upon The Christ are counterfeits, spoken of throughout the Bible.
The closer a counterfeit resembles the true, the more likely it is to fool and lead astray.
One only need to read the Koran to learn that it promotes an adulterated conglomeration of warped Judaism and Christianity as a faith structure promoting the enemy of humanity, doing to please God, in place of seeking His son as salvation to please God
One only need read the Hadith to learn that the prophet of Islam .was a murderer. One only need read history to learn that Islam was founded in blood and attempted genocide, one only need read what happened to the Sikhś when they were invaded by Islam to learn the extent of this evil. All authorized by the prophet, the alleged spokesman for God. The complete antithesis of the Founder of Christianity, His Apostles, and their inspired writings,
To be sure, the spiritual enemy of God has enticed to his ways Christians and professed Christians, and caused them to do evil things and commit abominations against the very God they say they serve. However, it cannot be emphasized enough that these evil acts were totally against the the instruction of Christ in the Christian Holy book, NOT by its instruction and authorization.
This is a commentary on the comparison of Christianity and Islam as faith based belief system. It is not a commentary on any individual Muslim
Just in case you'd like another point of view on Revelation......
Publications — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY.
Cacotopia
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Thank you.
But I don't think the mentioning goes forward, yes backwards but never read where a religious holy text prophesied future prophets in a different religion.
74x12
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Green is a very significant color for Islam and there is the green horse in Revelation 6:8. Erroneously translated as a "pale horse" in the KJV.
I found this site in my search some time ago.
I found it eye opening that so many Faiths and traditions do have prophecy about a most great day.
Baha'i: Prophecy Fulfilled Homepage
It may be of interest, regards Tony
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
I don't think this answers the question at hand Islamic faith mentions prophets in Christianity, but Christianity does not mention prophets in Islam, because Islam came well after Christianity.
Thank you for sharing your Christian perspective and providing contrasting narratives between Christianity and Islam, Jesus and Muhammad. I appreciate you are sincere in your faith and have avoided making your statement a personal attack on Muslims as individuals. Although you didn't specifically address the OP question, I would imagine you would either not see Islam mentioned in the Bible or see it negatively portrayed as pertaining to false prophets.
I see Moses and the Torah, Jesus and the Gospel and Muhammad and the Quran as all based on the Revelation of God throughout history.
I'm not certain on what basis you accuse Muhammad as being a murderer. Usually Christians are referring to Banu Qurayza that has been recounted in the Sirat. Is that what you meant? This account can not be considered reliable. As you may know Muhammad managed to unite a disparate group of Arab tribes on the Arabian peninsula. They were pagans and worshipped many gods but He taught them to be like the Jews and Christians and to worship the One True G-d. The nature of that G-d in the Quran appears very similar to the G-d of the Jews and the Christians. Is that what you mean by deception?
Of course the G-d of the Jews is the same G-d as the Christians and G-d does not change (Malachi 3:6). So we need to reconcile the OT violence such as recounted in the book of Joshua with the G-d who revealed Himself through Jesus. G-d is pragmatic. It was not the time to fight and oppose the Romans as the Jewish wanted. There is a season for everything (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8) including peace and war. Jesus never lifted a sword but that does not mean G-d requires us to be in the face of genuine evil and injustice in the world.
In regards the Sikhs, this was centuries after Muhammad departed and I'm sure we can find many parallels in the violence and atrocities of Christians.
While you have referred to the Hadith, these too are unreliable. I see the Word of God in the Quran as I do the Gospels and Torah. We can be naïve when overlooking hateful philosophies for sure. We can also have prejudice because of colour of one's skin as well as their religion. I've witnessed religious bigotry in Northern Ireland, where its been intractable animosities between Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians. Christ when asked the most important commandment, quote from Deuteronomy 6:5 about loving G-d. Then He spoke of love for our neighbours and enemies. If Christians in Northern Ireland and the USA are so divided then who will bring the peace to earth promised by G-d through the Isaiah 9:6-7?
Thanks again for your post.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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In the sense of the religion, no.
In the sense we must submit to God, sure.
In the sense we must submit to God, sure.
Go back one revelation and that would then be saying, that Christain faith mentions prophets in Torah , but Torah does not mention prophets in Christianity, because Christianity came well after Torah.
Think I posted a comment above that covers that theme.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
If I swirl the tea leaves in the bottom of my cup I can see why last week's events happened in perfect clarity.
I'm always right about this. But, of course, if you don't understand these powers of mine, then it's because you simply don't have the spirituality and cannot read the messages like I can.
Now....... all the above was a metaphor ........ to show that anybody can 'see' anything and any prophecy to fit with their own imprinted beliefs.
Tumah
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Yes.
Tumah
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I have not seen anyone else say it.
Tumah
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Christianity suffers from Islam the same thing that Judaism suffers from Christianity. In a word: retrofitting. Christianity opened the doors, with their un-contextual interpretations designed to lend credence to their religion. Later, Islam took a page out of their book. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Baha'i are doing it to Islam.
So the answer is no. No, Islam is not found in the Tanach of the NT. No Christianity is not found in the Tanach.
Cacotopia
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The thing about prophecy, is that they given out in a wide birth of interpretation. Something has to come along to fit the description for it to be regarded as "true." Time is your friend when prophecies are concerned. The prophecy can wait as long as there are people that believe in it for it to happen eventually or never at all.
Here in Bali, a man ordered the cutting of a sacred Banyan tree to make way for a new road. The temple priests prophesied that the gods would seek karmic justice on the man. Guy dies 3 and change years later. In a motorbike accident. Is the prophecy conclude and made true? or is that coincidence? What if a few generations pass, and his descendants contract some rare disorder or are exposed one night at a family gather to some chemical explosion at the factory near their house, that renders all the women infertile and his line finally dies out permanently, was that the conclusion of the prophecy? What if he had lived and never died of unnatural causes? Would the prophecy be just a hollow threat?
There are so many scenarios where a prophecy can become true. That is why the parameters of a prophecy are so wide, it is the very nature of them. So that they can be easily proven.
Soothsaying for as long as the charlatans have spoken them, have always been cryptic and open to interpretation. You just have to wait for something to happen that fits close enough to the description.
Here in Bali, a man ordered the cutting of a sacred Banyan tree to make way for a new road. The temple priests prophesied that the gods would seek karmic justice on the man. Guy dies 3 and change years later. In a motorbike accident. Is the prophecy conclude and made true? or is that coincidence? What if a few generations pass, and his descendants contract some rare disorder or are exposed one night at a family gather to some chemical explosion at the factory near their house, that renders all the women infertile and his line finally dies out permanently, was that the conclusion of the prophecy? What if he had lived and never died of unnatural causes? Would the prophecy be just a hollow threat?
There are so many scenarios where a prophecy can become true. That is why the parameters of a prophecy are so wide, it is the very nature of them. So that they can be easily proven.
Soothsaying for as long as the charlatans have spoken them, have always been cryptic and open to interpretation. You just have to wait for something to happen that fits close enough to the description.
Were it not for the Bible I would never have believed in Moses, Jesus , Muhammad the Bab or Baha’u’llah for in the most beautiful spiritual language all these Manifestations are clearly mentioned.