Does the Christian God want you in heaven?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

See what I mean Clizby!?
"a god that does not want to be with you until you are perfect ..............but he loves you"

The first part is false, and I keep pointing this out.
God is with millions of imperfect people, and he has been from the founding of the world - from Abel.

I'm wondering about the second part, because earlier, you said God does not love you... unless...
So I don't understand what you are saying here, and it may be because of how you wrote it.

I don't want to as you said...
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...read into much of what I say. Just read what I say and not what you think I said.
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So, I'll let you explain, if you can, please.

I am talking about being with us in heaven forever. Can I sin in heaven?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You would be you, Clizby Wampuscat, but you would not be as much of an a**hole as you are now. (and no I'm not saying you are any worse than anyone else).

Seems like you are.

Do you think that Jesus is really a more righteous version of Clizby Wampuscat?

No.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The Bible describes a God who has tolerated a world of sinners for thousands of years and reaches out to them to turn around and come back to Him.

Come back to me or else I will punish you.

The Bible describes a God who came to earth to be a human to save us from His wrath and the wages of our sin (death).

Save us from His rules that he instituted.

The Bible describes a God who comes and lives with and in people while they sin a lot, and He is changing them to be more morally like Jesus.

I agree

The Bible describes a God who wants to set up His Kingdom full of forgiven people who have been made perfect.

Depends on which Christian you talk to.

But as I pointed out God is willing to be with us before that time even though He hates evil.

I am talking about heaven not now.

The bible also describes a God that does immoral things such as at one time advocate to kill homosexuals, wrote laws to govern slavery, ordered killing of entire groups of people. So why are these acts not considered when determining if He is good or not?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Come back to me or else I will punish you..

Reality is reality, whether we like it or not.
You might prefer it that gravity doesn't cause you to die if you jump off a cliff, but that is too bad.

..just because you think that your beliefs and deeds are "good", it does not represent the ultimate reality that Almighty God describes.
i.e. the consequences of our behaviour

You imagine it to be "a god" who gives you ice-cream or burning in fire.
..when it is none other than ourselves that cause bliss or heartache in the next life.

The only people that will "pat us on our back" for evil deeds is satan and his followers. No thanks. You can't trust them.

 

[nPeace]

I am talking about being with us in heaven forever. Can I sin in heaven?

Only in heaven?
Well in that case, God does not even want those who are perfect in heaven.
You see, God did not create man to live in heaven.
Millions... in fact, billions of righteous, perfect people will live right here, and God will be with them. Revelation 21:3

Those who go to heaven go through a change that is different to those who live perfect on earth, but they must meet the same requirements as those living on earth.

It's no different a situation to a wedding. Only the bride and groom have the honeymoon, and spend time together in the room specially prepared for them, but it's not the case that they are better than anyone else.
They are given special treatment for the special occasion.

Similarly, those who are taken to heaven, are the bride of the bride-groom (Christ).
They are treated specially, for the occasion, but they are not better than those who live perfectly on earth.

Is this relevant to your argument, or is it unimportant?
If so, your arguments do not apply to Christians.

 

[nPeace]

Can I sin in heaven?

You can't sin on earth either... after perfection.
So there really is no difference - no need to focus on heaven.

 

[Brian2]

Come back to me or else I will punish you.

The options are death or life and really we choose which one through the choices we make in life.

Save us from His rules that he instituted.

God is the creator, the boss, the one who is trying to guide us in His compassion and who tells us the results of our actions. God is trying to fix the mess in the earth and the whole of His creation and doesn't want those who want to keep doing what is wrong and who want to reject His rule. That is how evil is going to be fixed in the end.

Depends on which Christian you talk to.

What do others say?

I am talking about heaven not now.

The bible also describes a God that does immoral things such as at one time advocate to kill homosexuals, wrote laws to govern slavery, ordered killing of entire groups of people. So why are these acts not considered when determining if He is good or not?

They are considered and from the whole Bible we learn what God sees as right and wrong. The circumstances also need to be considered and what God was trying to do and why and whether He had the right in those circumstances to do, say what He did.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Reality is reality, whether we like it or not.

I agree. But please show me hell is real.

You might prefer it that gravity doesn't cause you to die if you jump off a cliff, but that is too bad.

..just because you think that your beliefs and deeds are "good", it does not represent the ultimate reality that Almighty God describes.
i.e. the consequences of our behaviour

You imagine it to be "a god" who gives you ice-cream or burning in fire.
..when it is none other than ourselves that cause bliss or heartache in the next life.

The only people that will "pat us on our back" for evil deeds is satan and his followers. No thanks. You can't trust them.

Please show me any of this is true.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I agree. But please show me hell is real.

How?
I experience what I experience.
..and you experience what you experience.

Are you trying to tell me that everything in your life has always been ticketyboo?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Only in heaven?
Well in that case, God does not even want those who are perfect in heaven.
You see, God did not create man to live in heaven.
Millions... in fact, billions of righteous, perfect people will live right here, and God will be with them. Revelation 21:3

Those who go to heaven go through a change that is different to those who live perfect on earth, but they must meet the same requirements as those living on earth.

It's no different a situation to a wedding. Only the bride and groom have the honeymoon, and spend time together in the room specially prepared for them, but it's not the case that they are better than anyone else.
They are given special treatment for the special occasion.

Similarly, those who are taken to heaven, are the bride of the bride-groom (Christ).
They are treated specially, for the occasion, but they are not better than those who live perfectly on earth.

Is this relevant to your argument, or is it unimportant?
If so, your arguments do not apply to Christians.

Now you are getting into your interpretation of Christian doctrine. Other Christians will disagree with you on some of these points.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You can't sin on earth either... after perfection.
So there really is no difference - no need to focus on heaven.

Ok

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The options are death or life and really we choose which one through the choices we make in life.

The problem is they are uninformed choices. I am told that we need to choose life or death but no one ever can demonstrate that is the case. I want to make an informed choice.

God is the creator, the boss, the one who is trying to guide us in His compassion and who tells us the results of our actions. God is trying to fix the mess in the earth and the whole of His creation and doesn't want those who want to keep doing what is wrong and who want to reject His rule. That is how evil is going to be fixed in the end.

Good to know I am not evil. I do not want to do what is wrong and I don't reject His rule.

They are considered and from the whole Bible we learn what God sees as right and wrong. The circumstances also need to be considered and what God was trying to do and why and whether He had the right in those circumstances to do, say what He did.

Then explain the circumstances of Lev 20:13? How is it ever right to kill a person for engaging in homosexual acts?

 

[Brian2]

The problem is they are uninformed choices. I am told that we need to choose life or death but no one ever can demonstrate that is the case. I want to make an informed choice.

We know that we die. The hope for the resurrection is based on the resurrection of Jesus.
Do you want to know with certainty that Jesus rose from the dead?

Then explain the circumstances of Lev 20:13? How is it ever right to kill a person for engaging in homosexual acts?

There are many rules in the Law which seem harsh to us but it seems not in the eyes of God who is teaching what is right and wrong and who is wanting to set up a society where people know and do the will of God and not their own ideas.
God saves Israel from slavery in Egypt and set up what is seen as a common sort of treaty with Israel, a Suzerain treaty with them where He would be their King and make the laws and they would serve Him and He would protect them and punish them when they kept doing what was wrong. So God had the authority to impose His rules on them.
Some of the rules are for having a people who were pure and holy and set apart for His work, some of the rules are hard to understand and even agree with.
Homosexual acts seems to be an important no no and has continued into Christian morals also.
I imagine that the death penalty was partly because there were no prisons then and to get the whole community behind doing and enforcing the rules and avoiding breaking them.
The thing is that God had the right to impose than in the law.

 

[nPeace]

Now you are getting into your interpretation of Christian doctrine. Other Christians will disagree with you on some of these points.

The title of your OP is - Does the Christian God want you in heaven?

If you are saying that someone is getting into their interpretation of Christian doctrine, then you must have an interpretation of "Christian" doctrine, that represents your OP.

Thus, you are not referring to the Christian doctrine, but rather your prefered, or a (one of the many) "Christian" doctrine, which is not the Christian doctrine, and therefore does not apply to Christians.
Understand?

So, I take it then, your argument is with men who hold a particular doctrine, rather than the Christian God.
Might it not then be better to ask, "Does your version of the Christian God want you in heaven?"... considering that you know, there are individuals with their interpretations.

Of course, it's too late to change anything, but now that I understand the OP does not apply to Christians... at least from the perspective of Jesus, and the "Christian God".
I'm only pointing that out to you.

You acknowledge that, yes?

 

[nPeace]

Then explain the circumstances of Lev 20:13? How is it ever right to kill a person for engaging in homosexual acts?

Who gets to decide if it's right or wrong Clizby?
If a tribe, people or nation decided it is right, and you decide it is wrong, since when does it rest with you to determine that people live by your laws or standards?

To answer your question, God has stated his laws, and he has stated his right and will to enforce those laws, by carrying out the penalty... under his jurisdiction.
You know them, so we don't need to quote them.

You do know that not everyone agrees with the laws of the land, don't you?
For example, some feel they have the right to drive at whatever speeds they want.
Some feel they have the right to have sexual intercourse with whomever they want... for example, an eager, willing 12 year old, or younger.

This is reality. People hate laws they would rather go against, because they don't want to be restrained by them.
You are just doing what most people do Clizby.

You know, the only reason more people aren't breaking every law, including theft, is because they are afraid they will get caught, and locked up, right?

Just take all highway patrol off the road, for a day, and then take a position as a high tech satellite watching every street in view.

People make their choices, but then they want to escape any consequences. That's most people for you.