Does the Christian God want you in heaven?

[Five Solas]

Give me good reasons to believe the Bile is true.

Glad to hear that

 

[Five Solas]

You really don't get it, do you. The certainty you have about your faith, is the same amount of certainty I have about my faith.

And all you are saying, I can do in reverse and it still doesn't solve anything. My certainty is the right one and yours aren't, because I speak for the "we". Now you will reject that and I just do that in reverse.

Sorry, but no. Not interested.
I will only give the biblical stance - end of story.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sorry, but no. Not interested.
I will only give the biblical stance - end of story.

Okay. I get you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You really don't get it, do you. The certainty you have about your faith, is the same amount of certainty I have about my faith.

What, that it is "the wrong one"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What, that it is "the wrong one"?

Correct, it is a joke. My religion is the wrong one to those who believe in the Right True One Religion/Science/Philosophy.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Why are you complaining about something that doesn't exist?

I never said God does not exist.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I'm sorry, but you are not consistent.
Why are you talking about something that does not exist, as though it exists, and then changing your tune about it not existing, when you want?

I never said god doe snot exist. I have always said there is not enough good evidence to believe god does exist. The issue is that many people do believe God exists and that affects my life.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

God? You mean the non-existent existence.

Sorry, but I think you lost me. You seem lost yourself. Aren't you?

Maybe addressing my point will allow us to not go deeper into this 'jungle' you created.

I addressed your point, remember, but it's not one you want to consider.
So... until some other time. Bye for now.

So you say you want me to address your point then say bye?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So even you don't want to be [with] the person you are.
You want to be a different person.

You read into much of what I say. Just read what I say and not what you think I said.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

OK .. so you are not convinced..
..so you belong to the "atheist tribe".

What does this mean? I belong to truth not a tribe.

God Almighty wants you in the "believing tribe", but you are not.That is why faith is important for salvation.
Your brain is ruling over your heart.

eg. you claim that molecules[the physical] is responsible for everything,
and there is no particular reason why we are all here

Our universe had a cause, why the cosmos (everything that exists) is here, I have no answer for. That does not mean I insert a god.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And that perfection does not mean we are clones of Jesus.

How would I be different than Jesus?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Doesn't belief in Jesus come first. Why do you need to worry about being transformed to be like Jesus. That is something you experience after repenting and believing.

I am not worrying about it. I am just pointing out that the Christian doctrine describes a god that doe snot want to be with you until you are perfect but he loves you.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I wish I could give you the full answer but the I will have to give you all the Scriptures.

I'm going to try to give it in a nutshell. The Scriptures is salvation history - the various accounts of how God dealt with the sin of humanity over thousands of years. The promise of salvation is given in the first chapters of Genesis.

The crux of the matter is this: God made many promises to many people and to His people (the Jews), Israel. God made good on each and every promise - all of them. That tells us all we need to trust Him.

Every word of God proves true. That is what all the Old Testament as well as New Testament accounts proves. It is in the history. That is why it had been recorded for us so we can KNOW Him (the basis of our faith is knowledge of God) and discover that He is RELIABLE and could be trusted.

Faith = knowledge and trust..........................

He is a shield to those who take refuge in him (trust Him) Ps. 30:5)

All of His promises are 100% true and we can throw ourselves upon them entirely. Every single word will prove true, and nothing can stop God from fulfilling all His promises to us.

God’s promises are so trustworthy that they are a shield to us. We can take refuge in His promises, hope in them, trust in them, rest completely in them. When Satan throws fiery darts at us, the promises of God shield us from them.

Cast all your anxiety on Him because he cares for you (1 Pet. 5:7)

We are tempted to try to take care of everything on our own. We try to solve our problems. The Lord is the only one who can fully take care of all our problems. He knows our issues even before we go to Him in prayer. We can cast all our anxieties onto God because he cares about us and will take care of us.

God has proven this to all of humanity too many times to count. How can we not trust Him?

Thanks for the response.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What does this mean? I belong to truth not a tribe.

It means what it says.
You are a disbeliever.
You will not be with the believers after death, unless you
try to please God, like believers.

Our universe had a cause, why the cosmos (everything that exists) is here, I have no answer for..

You really mean that you don't like the answer.

 

[nPeace]

So you say you want me to address your point then say bye?

I'm sorry. Truly, I am.
It's just that I seem to be having a hard time understanding your arguments... although I think I know what you are saying.
There seems to be no consistency, or logical connections to your arguments.
Perhaps it's my fault.
That's the reason I was bowing out, because it seems like I am in a rover stuck in mud, and the driver has the gas pedal to the floor, but the only thing moving are the spinning tires... and muddy water, of course.

If we could actually make some headway, I would be truly happy to stick around.
I did address your point, didn't I? ...but you say I didn't.
So, there needs to be some understanding, which doesn't seem to be happening. Or maybe, there is understanding, but an unwillingness to address these. I am not sure.
What do you think it is?

If you want to address my point, that's okay, because I think it directly addresses your point.

 

[nPeace]

I am not worrying about it. I am just pointing out that the Christian doctrine describes a god that doe snot want to be with you until you are perfect but he loves you.

See what I mean Clizby!?
"a god that does not want to be with you until you are perfect ..............but he loves you"

The first part is false, and I keep pointing this out.
God is with millions of imperfect people, and he has been from the founding of the world - from Abel.

I'm wondering about the second part, because earlier, you said God does not love you... unless...
So I don't understand what you are saying here, and it may be because of how you wrote it.

I don't want to as you said...
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...read into much of what I say. Just read what I say and not what you think I said.
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So, I'll let you explain, if you can, please.

 

[Brian2]

How would I be different than Jesus?

You would be you, Clizby Wampuscat, but you would not be as much of an a**hole as you are now. (and no I'm not saying you are any worse than anyone else).
Do you think that Jesus is really a more righteous version of Clizby Wampuscat?

 

[Brian2]

I am not worrying about it. I am just pointing out that the Christian doctrine describes a god that doe snot want to be with you until you are perfect but he loves you.

The Bible describes a God who has tolerated a world of sinners for thousands of years and reaches out to them to turn around and come back to Him.
The Bible describes a God who came to earth to be a human to save us from His wrath and the wages of our sin (death).
The Bible describes a God who comes and lives with and in people while they sin a lot, and He is changing them to be more morally like Jesus.
The Bible describes a God who wants to set up His Kingdom full of forgiven people who have been made perfect.
But as I pointed out God is willing to be with us before that time even though He hates evil.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It means what it says.
You are a disbeliever.
You will not be with the believers after death, unless you
try to please God, like believers.

ok

You really mean that you don't like the answer.

No, please do not tell me what I think. I don't do that to you.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I'm sorry. Truly, I am.
It's just that I seem to be having a hard time understanding your arguments... although I think I know what you are saying.
There seems to be no consistency, or logical connections to your arguments.
Perhaps it's my fault.
That's the reason I was bowing out, because it seems like I am in a rover stuck in mud, and the driver has the gas pedal to the floor, but the only thing moving are the spinning tires... and muddy water, of course.

If we could actually make some headway, I would be truly happy to stick around.
I did address your point, didn't I? ...but you say I didn't.
So, there needs to be some understanding, which doesn't seem to be happening. Or maybe, there is understanding, but an unwillingness to address these. I am not sure.
What do you think it is?

If you want to address my point, that's okay, because I think it directly addresses your point.

Ok, thanks for the friendly reply. I may not be expressing myself adequately.