Does the Christian God want you in heaven?

[nPeace]

If those gang members were one of my children I would not abandon them.

You don't need to. They abandoned you.
What can you do... tie them with ropes and force them to stick to you?

God forces no one. He lets you choose your path.
If you return to him, he accepts you.
You know the parable of the Prodigal son.
Even while the son was a far distance away, the father ran to him, and had a feast for him, with rejoicing.

 

[nPeace]

I agree, but what the followers of God do does affect me. That is why I care.

I can agree with that.
What the followers of God do, affects everyone.
That's why I follow God, and now live a life that is different to the world, because those followers of God are 1) happy, 2) helping people from all parts of earth to be happy, 3) free - from false religion; from the grip of vices like pornography, drug abuse; violence; anger; abusive speech; infidelity; STDs; etc., ...and a whole long list of other goodies.

Their good example has helped me, as well as you
Actually, you owe it to God, for any morality you may have, because it's the influence from those who followed God, that had an indirect effect on you.

 

[nPeace]

Please don't tell me what I think. All of us are a product of the experiences we have and the good and bad we do in our lives. If all the bad things I did were taken away I would no longer be the same person.

What do you mean?
I don't understand, sorry.
What do you mean by "If all the bad things I did were taken away"?
Do you mean for example, say a man got drunk and beat his wife. Are you saying if he stopped getting drunk, and beating his wife, he would be a different person?

Of course he would, but what's wrong with that?
Do you think his wife is happy with him being the person he is currently, or would she like him to be a different person.

Sorry. I'm probably not getting you.

 

[nPeace]

The Bible says I will be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, 2 Cor 3:18. 2 Cor 5:17 says the believer is a new creation, the old is gone.

It doesn't say you, no, but yes, God, by his spirit, creates a new person. The old person, with all their badness is gone.
Ephesians 4:17-32

This will also be in a physical way, when God rids the earth of the wicked, and so, even the earth will be new, as this old system is done away with. 1 John 2:15-17; Psalms 37:9-11
That's good news, isn't it?

Do you like your neighbor lying to you, being angry with you, stealing from you, cussing at you... or would you not rather them be peaceful, and doing honest work?

 

[nPeace]

Why would I want to be a different person? I want to improve on myself in area's but to take away all of my bad experience in this life would fundamentally change me or anyone else into a person they no longer would recognize.

"Improve yourself in areas"?
Why do you see a need to improve yourself in areas?
Are you not making a transformation when you do that, and would that not make you a different person?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

..but you don't want to be with Him?
You have got it all the wrong way round.

How do you know this? How can I not want to be with a god that I do not believe exists?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

He did explain.

Where?

 

[Brian2]

I agree that is what mainstream Christianity teaches. But that is not my point. My point is that God requires me to change before he will want to be with me.

So you seem to be saying that a Christian must become perfect before dying or they cannot go to be with God in heaven.
I suppose that means that you reject the idea in the Bible that Christ is our righteousness that we receive through faith in Him.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Actually, according to the scriptures you cannot change yourself. You must come to Jesus as you are, with the desire to be forgiven. Then you will be made pure in Christ’s perfection and receive eternal life.

Are you ever going to deal with the real issue? If not just let me know.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And if you are forgiven and saved by Christ, you too will get to live forever with those you have sinned against.

I never raped anyone.

How do you propose God specifically isolate the sin of child rape and stop it?[/quote]No idea but God should know right?

If you really care about this, read the following and get involved. If you do read the link, you will notice that it is PEOPLE that commit the crime of child rape and abuse. It is also people who have a twisted sense of justice, as the Bible says calling evil good and good evil ( Isaiah 5:20).

“Children as young as 13 can be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Yet as you read these words, more than 2,500 children, here in our country, are serving exactly such a sentence.

Children like Sara …

She was just 11 years old when a man began grooming her. She was 13 when he began trafficking her. After more than three years of this traumatic torture, she escaped — killing her abuser.

She was tried as an adult — and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

A child who has been enslaved and abused in the sex trafficking industry should not spend the rest of her life in prison because she fought to survive. ”

If you agree, please make a generous online donation to Shared Hope now.

I give my money to good causes. I do not have enough money to give to all good causes, do you? This has nothing to do with my post. Implying if I don't give money to this organization I know nothing about means that I don't care about raped children is disgusting.

 

[muhammad_isa]

How do you know this? How can I not want to be with a god that I do not believe exists?

It's psychological..
Denial of God implies you will be with the wicked..
If you wanted to be with "the Christian God" in heaven, you need to believe and do righteous deeds according to the Bible.

If you say you want to be with God, but you deny He exists, it is a major contradiction. A logical impossibility.

 

[Five Solas]

The Bible says I will be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, 2 Cor 3:18. 2 Cor 5:17 says the believer is a new creation, the old is gone.

Exactly. He does that, not you. Believe that and taste victory.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Where?

In the Bible.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You don't need to. They abandoned you.
What can you do... tie them with ropes and force them to stick to you?

God forces no one. He lets you choose your path.
If you return to him, he accepts you.
You know the parable of the Prodigal son.
Even while the son was a far distance away, the father ran to him, and had a feast for him, with rejoicing.

The difference is that my children would know that I exist and love them and could come back at any time. I have is no good reason to believe God exists. They can make an informed decision.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What do you mean?
I don't understand, sorry.
What do you mean by "If all the bad things I did were taken away"?
Do you mean for example, say a man got drunk and beat his wife. Are you saying if he stopped getting drunk, and beating his wife, he would be a different person?

Of course he would, but what's wrong with that?
Do you think his wife is happy with him being the person he is currently, or would she like him to be a different person.

Sorry. I'm probably not getting you.

For example, my parents divorced when I was 13. This changed my life in some ways that it would not have if they stayed together. It changed my relationship with my parents and brought some issues into my marriage that I had to deal with. In these ways I would be a different person, with different issues due to the divorce. Life experiences change us.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It doesn't say you, no, but yes, God, by his spirit, creates a new person. The old person, with all their badness is gone.
Ephesians 4:17-32

This will also be in a physical way, when God rids the earth of the wicked, and so, even the earth will be new, as this old system is done away with. 1 John 2:15-17; Psalms 37:9-11
That's good news, isn't it?

Do you like your neighbor lying to you, being angry with you, stealing from you, cussing at you... or would you not rather them be peaceful, and doing honest work?

This is not the point. The point is that God requires us to be perfect to be with us in heaven. I must be a new person as you say. God does not want to be with me in heaven the way I am today.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

"Improve yourself in areas"?
Why do you see a need to improve yourself in areas?
Are you not making a transformation when you do that, and would that not make you a different person?

Yes it would change me.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So you seem to be saying that a Christian must become perfect before dying or they cannot go to be with God in heaven.
I suppose that means that you reject the idea in the Bible that Christ is our righteousness that we receive through faith in Him.

I am not saying this. I am saying with Christs death makes us perfect if you believe. We cannot be perfect in this life. But the perfectness is not me but Jesus.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It's psychological..
Denial of God implies you will be with the wicked..
If you wanted to be with "the Christian God" in heaven, you need to believe and do righteous deeds according to the Bible.

If you say you want to be with God, but you deny He exists, it is a major contradiction. A logical impossibility.

I do not deny gods existence. I am not convinced God exists.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Exactly. He does that, not you. Believe that and taste victory.

I agree the bible says god does this. Give me good reasons to believe it is true.