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Does the Christian God want you in heaven?

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Well, I can't know for sure what you mean, as I'm only reading words, and not your mind. :)

..but OK, you don't want to be a "different person".
Why would I want to be a different person? I want to improve on myself in area's but to take away all of my bad experience in this life would fundamentally change me or anyone else into a person they no longer would recognize.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Dying wasn't enough for you?
Please provide the evidence anyone has done that for me. Also, people and gods can do good and bad things. If Jesus dying for me is good, ok, but he has also done bad things such as instituting the death penalty for homosexuals in Leviticus. Do you think that was good?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I can think of a better way. How about everything the same except he does not allow child rape. This would be a better system, right? How have you determined God has done things the best way?
Child rape is terrible. If you read the scriptures you know that there will be awful consequences for those who harm children. But why stop there when there are so many horrendous things people do to harm others? If God did not allow people to choose good or evil, to sin or not, to demonstrate love or hate, or to put self or others first, then there would be no real freedom and definitely no such thing as real love.
I have determined that God has done things the right way because He has personally saved me and I know and trust His love and wisdom. The fact that God is God and I am not, nor you or any human means that only an infinite Being, as God, could know the best way...not us.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Why would I want to be a different person? I want to improve on myself in area's but to take away all of my bad experience in this life would fundamentally change me or anyone else into a person they no longer would recognize.
From the biblical perspective being born again to new life in Christ doesn’t take away your life experiences; good or bad. It does give you a new outlook on life and an eternal perspective. It does give you new desires for loving God and others, rather than living a self-centered life at the expense of others. What makes you think you wouldn’t recognize yourself? Instead, you would be free from the from various sinful tendencies and junk weighing you down.

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 18:36
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Ok, but my statement remains that God will not allow me (with my sin) to live with him forever after I die. I must conform to the likeness of Jesus.

As Five Solas said, you can't conform to the likeness of Jesus through your own efforts, it is a work that God does in a Christian and after they have God's Spirit dwelling in them.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Child rape is terrible. If you read the scriptures you know that there will be awful consequences for those who harm children.
Unless they are forgiven by Jesus then they will get to live forever with their victims.

But why stop there when there are so many horrendous things people do to harm others? If God did not allow people to choose good or evil, to sin or not, to demonstrate love or hate, or to put self or others first, then there would be no real freedom and definitely no such thing as real love.
God stopping all child rape does not remove the ability for people to choose good an evil.

I have determined that God has done things the right way because He has personally saved me and I know and trust His love and wisdom. The fact that God is God and I am not, nor you or any human means that only an infinite Being, as God, could know the best way...not us.
An infinite being does not have to be good. God being all knowing has to be able to figure out how to get what he wants without child rape. Being all knowing and all powerful it seems he chooses to let it happen.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
From the biblical perspective being born again to new life in Christ doesn’t take away your life experiences; good or bad. It does give you a new outlook on life and an eternal perspective. It does give you new desires for loving God and others, rather than living a self-centered life at the expense of others. What makes you think you wouldn’t recognize yourself? Instead, you would be free from the from various sinful tendencies and junk weighing you down.

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 18:36
You claim here that it is a choice to either live a good life loving others with god or live a selfish life without god. There is another alternative I choose. That is live a loving moral life helping others without a god that I cannot know exists and think is immoral if He did exist.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Please provide the evidence anyone has done that for me. Also, people and gods can do good and bad things. If Jesus dying for me is good, ok, but he has also done bad things such as instituting the death penalty for homosexuals in Leviticus. Do you think that was good?
Now you want me to judge God?
Seriously?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
As Five Solas said, you can't conform to the likeness of Jesus through your own efforts, it is a work that God does in a Christian and after they have God's Spirit dwelling in them.
I agree that is what mainstream Christianity teaches. But that is not my point. My point is that God requires me to change before he will want to be with me.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I agree that is what mainstream Christianity teaches. But that is not my point. My point is that God requires me to change before he will want to be with me.
Actually, according to the scriptures you cannot change yourself. You must come to Jesus as you are, with the desire to be forgiven. Then you will be made pure in Christ’s perfection and receive eternal life.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Unless they are forgiven by Jesus then they will get to live forever with their victims.

God stopping all child rape does not remove the ability for people to choose good an evil.

An infinite being does not have to be good. God being all knowing has to be able to figure out how to get what he wants without child rape. Being all knowing and all powerful it seems he chooses to let it happen.
And if you are forgiven and saved by Christ, you too will get to live forever with those you have sinned against.
How do you propose God specifically isolate the sin of child rape and stop it?
If you really care about this, read the following and get involved. If you do read the link, you will notice that it is PEOPLE that commit the crime of child rape and abuse. It is also people who have a twisted sense of justice, as the Bible says calling evil good and good evil ( Isaiah 5:20).

“Children as young as 13 can be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Yet as you read these words, more than 2,500 children, here in our country, are serving exactly such a sentence.

Children like Sara …

She was just 11 years old when a man began grooming her. She was 13 when he began trafficking her. After more than three years of this traumatic torture, she escaped — killing her abuser.

She was tried as an adult — and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

A child who has been enslaved and abused in the sex trafficking industry should not spend the rest of her life in prison because she fought to survive.

If you agree, please make a generous online donation to Shared Hope now.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
You claim here that it is a choice to either live a good life loving others with god or live a selfish life without god. There is another alternative I choose. That is live a loving moral life helping others without a god that I cannot know exists and think is immoral if He did exist.
You may think that’s an alternative and you are free to believe that, for now. But it’s not a real alternative because, it’s not reality. The reality is that no finite human being can live a perfectly moral life, we all fall short (Romans 3:23). It’s also nonsense to believe that a finite being can judge the morality of an infinite God.
 
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