Does the day of Christ ressurection tell us to worship on Sunday?

[sincerly]

Who is to say what is and isn't ceremonial? Why does Zechariah and Ezekiel imply that there will be sacrifices in the end days when the Egyptians come out to worship on Succoth? The Bible has no categorizing of what is "ceremonial", it's just a way of picking and choosing what laws you want to follow.

Shermana, True, the word ceremonial isn't in the Bible. However, when Moses received from GOD the instructions for building the Sanctuary, GOD did Categorize the specific duties/usages/etc. for each of the items, persons, etc. as pertaining to the function etc.---those were Laws. They had to do with the Daily sacrifices and the special annual festivals----Ceremonies--if you will.

What does Jesus mean by anyone who teaches to break the least of the commandments shall be called the least in the kingdom? Jesus says not a single iota of the Law shall be void. None. Til Heaven and Earth collapse and even then. If Jesus says you must strive for the narrow gate and you only get in through righteous obedience, anything Paul says otherwise is contradictory. Jesus is quite clear that your works are what saves or condemns you.

While it is necessary for one to perform the needed "works of Righteousness" because those things show one's LOVE for GOD by Obedience to GOD and one's fellow beings, No one is "saved" who refuses to apply the Shed Blood of Christ for the remission of one's sins/guiltiness before GOD.

But let's just look at your statement that you don't think Paul questioned the Decalogue, do you then believe that one should honor Sabbath on the Sabbath day or not?

Yes, Paul, Kept the Sabbath. Acts 16:13, "And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither]."

Acts 24:14, "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

 

[Muffled]

Is it an either/or matter? What's wrong with honouring Jesus on Saturday?

In the Gospels (Matthew especially, IIRC), it seems to me that Jesus isn't saying to forget the law, but to be true to the purpose of the law while obeying it rather than just going through the motions.

Edit: I've never had Jesus tell me to do anything at all. Does this mean I'm free to do whatever I want?[/quote]

Saturday doesn't honor Jesus; it honors the law. There is nothing wrong with honoring Jesus on any day but not every day pertains to Jesus. One could say that Friday pertains to Jesus but in my estimation Friday is more exemplative of sinners.

That is correct. Sunday fufills the purpose of the law which is to worship God while Saturday falls short in that regard.

If you are not under Jesus then you will have to be under the law but then you aren't really saved from sin except for what you can do on your own.

 

[Muffled]

I do not believe many of the early Church Fathers were under the influence of the real God-of-the-bible. But let's not digress and get back to the question relating to the topic. If the day of the week we are commanded to keep holy is arbitrary, why would He bother giving a specific day when it should be kept?

Of course you have no evidence to support that view.

You err in two ways. God never commanded that Saturday be the worship day only the seventh day. That sounds arbitrary to me, since the seventh day is completely dependent on when you have the first day. Christians who worship on Sunday fulfill the law because they worship on the seventh day. God bothers because it is significant to Him and to us.

 

[Muffled]

I utilize the Hebrew calendar to establish holy time. I was just pointing out how the weekly cycle has been preserved even with all the changes to the current calendar..

If the calendar started on Wednesday and everyone worked until Monday and took Tuesday off for their sabbath worship, it would make more sense than worshipping on Sunday. The way to get around that and honor Jesus is to start the work week on Monday which is what is done.

 

[james2ko]

You err in two ways. God never commanded that Saturday be the worship day only the seventh day. That sounds arbitrary to me, since the seventh day is completely dependent on when you have the first day. Christians who worship on Sunday fulfill the law because they worship on the seventh day. God bothers because it is significant to Him and to us.[/B]

1. No offense but I think I'll stick to the opinion of world-renowned astronomers, catholic and protestant theologians on the status of the weekly cycle and whIch day of the week is the 7th day:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2895426-post180.html

If the calendar started on Wednesday and everyone worked until Monday and took Tuesday off for their sabbath worship, it would make more sense than worshipping on Sunday.

2. But the week doesn't start on Wednesday, as evidenced by the link in point 1.

The way to get around that and honor Jesus is to start the work week on Monday which is what is done.

3. King Jeroboam tried "getting around" God's assigned holy time and manner of worship:

Jeroboam ordained a feast on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, like the feast that was in Judah, [The correct date ordained by God was the 15th day of the 7th month--Lev 23:34] and offered sacrifices on the altar. So he did at Bethel, sacrificing to the calves that he had made. And at Bethel he installed the priests of the high places which he had made. (1 Ki 12:32)​

Needless to say, God was not pleased:

"I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. 22 Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. 23 Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. 24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. Amo 5:21-24​

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The Pope said Sabbath is on Saturday. So this idea that the RCC moved the Sabbath is just wrong.

 

[sincerly]

The Pope said Sabbath is on Saturday. So this idea that the RCC moved the Sabbath is just wrong.

Hi CynthiaCypher, Just because Satan acknowledged that GOD said correctly, that didn't stop him from declaring GOD'S assessment false/and satan's correct.

The following came from the Catholic Catechism: """


2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108"""" No place in the Scriptures is there a valid substitution of the first day of the week(Sunday) for the Blessed, Holy (Sanctified) seventh day Sabbath(Saturday) of the Creator GOD of all things.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Hi CynthiaCypher, Just because Satan acknowledged that GOD said correctly, that didn't stop him from declaring GOD'S assessment false/and satan's correct.

The following came from the Catholic Catechism: """


2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108"""" No place in the Scriptures is there a valid substitution of the first day of the week(Sunday) for the Blessed, Holy (Sanctified) seventh day Sabbath(Saturday) of the Creator GOD of all things.

Do you know who Ignatius of Antioch is?

 

[sincerly]

Do you know who Ignatius of Antioch is?

The question is, " Do you know who the Creator GOD is ?

 

[e.r.m.]

In Europe as elsewhere, the first day of the week is Sunday. So I disagree with you there Kathryn.

Also the Bible says that God created the world in six days and on the seventh He rested, with the Qur'an having a variant of that. Nowhere do they (Bible and Qur'an) state however, which was the first day he started on and which was the seventh! He could've started on a Wed for all we know (that is if such a designation were to have existed at that point). We must remember that time is, for all intents and purposes, a man-made concept/constraint because we cannot truly comprehend the infinite.

I think the idea is that we humans based the the seven days of the week off the account of creation, not the other way around.

 

[e.r.m.]

Where did Sunday come in as a day of worship, was it from the ressurection, did Christ rise and tell the Disciples something that was not in scripture or did the change come from elsewhere. Some people say 'I keep Sunday in honor of the Resurrection' or they are told that the Apostles began keeping Sunday as the day of worship after the ressurection, but did they. Did the ressurection somehow cause a change to the day of worship?

Worship is the reason for the Sabbath. It is the only day God ever gave us to worship Him on. "In vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."—Matthew 15:9. That which God gives us is the truth. We are to believe it and obey it. "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy Word is truth."—John 17:17. "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."—1 Timothy 2:4. "God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth."—2 Thessalonians 2:13. "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit."—1 Peter 1:22. It is not safe to refuse obedience to the obvious truths of God’s Word. "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9. "If any man willeth to do His will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it be of God."—John 7:17, R. V.

So what does the clear Word of God tell us when men come up with changes to what God has given us, or bring in tradition which go against Gods Law. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29.

So does the ressurection change the day of the Sabbath, well the problem is that God never told anyone to keep Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Christ—or for any other reason. But He decidedly and repeatedly told us to keep holy the seventh day of the week. What are the greatest events in history? Creation and Calvary and the Second Advent stand out. In Gethsemane on Thursday night and on the cross on Friday morning and afternoon, our salvation hung in the balance. By sundown Friday it was all settled. The price had been paid. The salvation of those who would accept it was assured. Then came the Sabbath day of rest, and Jesus our Lord rested in the tomb.

On Sunday morning, He rose and another work week began. Christ began working again. Mary was told not to detain Him for He had yet to ascend to heaven—which He did that day. A long trip to heaven and back again. And a visit to the fearful disciples on a road to Emmaus that evening and in an upper room where other disciples were hiding from the Jewish leaders. Frankly, the resurrection of Christ is in no way as important as is Calvary. Those who wish to abandon a clear command of God to keep the seventh day for another day, would do well to keep Friday holy in honor of Calvary.—But we keep a day holy because God says to, not because we decide to! Let us not imagine that we can abolish part of God’s Ten Commandments and substitute our own!

Someone will say "I wish we still had a memorial of Christ’s resurrection." Actually, Jesus gave us a memorial which combines His crucifixion and resurrection. And He commanded us to observe it.

This definite memorial is baptism. The death and resurrection of Christ are symbolized by the ordinance of baptism, and by partaking of it we partake of that experience with Him. This double symbolism is clearly explained by Paul:

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin [the breaking of the law; 1 John 3:4] that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ—were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,—even so we also should [rise and] walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted [buried] together in the likeness of His death, we shall be raised also in the likeness of His resurrection. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."—Romans 6:1-6.

Some say that they keep Sunday because it is the "great memorial of our redemption." This is not true. The sign or symbol or memorial of our redemption is the Bible Sabbath. Our keeping of it is the sign by which all men shall know that we belong to God our Creator and that it is He, and not we ourselves, who is saving us from sin and will ultimately redeem us from this evil world. The seventh-day Sabbath is the seal of the law and the sign that He is our Creator (Exodus 31:16-17). And it is the sign that He is our Redeemer. "Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them."—Ezekiel 20:12. His Sabbath kept in our lives is the sign that we belong to Him. "And hallow My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God."—Ezekiel 20:20. The Bible Sabbath is the sign given by our Heavenly Father, that He is sanctifying or preparing us for eternal life. "Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you."— Exodus 31:13.

I believe it is at least in part because of Acts 20:7.

 

[sincerly]

I believe it is at least in part because of Acts 20:7.

Hi er.m., That is a "tradition of man" view. Not the Scriptural view. Paul spent a week at Troas. From the Context, "the breaking of Bread" was not a a "communion meal" of "bread and wine"", but a full meal at the end of the Sabbath and in fellowship with Paul who was leaving in the morning. Paul was favoring the believers with a last "preaching" and exhortation----which lasted until dawn. The Change of the Sabbath was prophesied by Daniel (7:25) and is referred to in 2Thess.2:3-4 and acts 20:28-31(see Rev.2:4)

The writings of Eusebius(an early church father), as seen in this account, attests to the change and by whom it was done.
"All things whatsoever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord's day."---Commentary on the Psalms, Eusebuis; cited in the Commentary on the Apocalypse, Moses Stuart, vol. II, 9, 40, Andover: Allen, Morrill, and Wardwell, 1845.