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Does the day of Christ ressurection tell us to worship on Sunday?

Hispriest

Member
To keep one day in seven, I heard this so many times; But The Sabbath is part of the ten Commandments! Upon the tables of stone God wrote the great, unchanging law of the ages. Every word was serious and meaningful. Not one line was ambiguous or mysterious. Sinners and Christians, educated and uneducated, have no problem understanding the simple, clear words of the Ten Commandments. God meant what He said and He said what He meant. No one has tried to void that law as too complicated to comprehend.
Now, this is very interesting, do you notice that most of the ten begin with the same words: ‘‘Thou shalt not,’’ but right in the heart of the law we find the fourth commandment, about the Sabbath, that is introduced with the word “Remember.” Why is this one different? Did you ever ask yourself this question? Because God was commanding them to call something to memory that already existed but had been forgotten. Genesis describes the origin of the Sabbath in these words, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).
Which day did God bless and sanctify? The seventh day. How was it to be kept holy? By resting. Could any of the other six be kept holy? No. Why? Because God commanded not to rest those days but to work. Does God’s blessing make a difference? Of course. This is why parents pray for God to bless their children. They believe it makes a difference. The seventh day is different from all the other six days, because it has God’s blessing.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Which day did God bless and sanctify? The seventh day. How was it to be kept holy? By resting. Could any of the other six be kept holy? No. Why? Because God commanded not to rest those days but to work. Does God’s blessing make a difference? Of course. This is why parents pray for God to bless their children. They believe it makes a difference. The seventh day is different from all the other six days, because it has God’s blessing.

Hi Hispriest, Welcome to the forums. Just to claify onepoint. Your "" How was it to be kept holy? By resting. "" That is only a part of the "Remember". In Lev.23:1-3, we find this information concerning the Weekly Seventh day Sabbath.
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, [Concerning] the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim [to be] holy convocations, [even] these [are] my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: it [is] the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."
"miqra"= "convocation"= a holy assemblage of the people to worship.
 

Hispriest

Member
Hi Hispriest, Welcome to the forums. Just to claify onepoint. Your "" How was it to be kept holy? By resting. "" That is only a part of the "Remember". In Lev.23:1-3, we find this information concerning the Weekly Seventh day Sabbath.
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, [Concerning] the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim [to be] holy convocations, [even] these [are] my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: it [is] the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."
"miqra"= "convocation"= a holy assemblage of the people to worship.

You are right, there is a lot more; God chose to memorialize that convincing display of creative power by setting aside the seventh day of creation week as a holy day of rest and remembering. It would constitute a tremendous safeguard of God’s sovereignty, a mark of His right to rule as the only true God. It would, at the same time, stand as a devastating debunking of every god who had not created the heavens and earth.

The writings of Old Testament prophets are saturated with reminders of God’s peculiar powers of creation. David wrote, “For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens” (Psalm 96:5). Jeremiah expressed it: “But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God. . . . The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish. . . . He hath made the earth by his power” (Jeremiah 10:10-12).
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
To keep one day in seven, I heard this so many times; But The Sabbath is part of the ten Commandments! Upon the tables of stone God wrote the great, unchanging law of the ages. Every word was serious and meaningful. Not one line was ambiguous or mysterious. Sinners and Christians, educated and uneducated, have no problem understanding the simple, clear words of the Ten Commandments. God meant what He said and He said what He meant. No one has tried to void that law as too complicated to comprehend.
Now, this is very interesting, do you notice that most of the ten begin with the same words: ‘‘Thou shalt not,’’ but right in the heart of the law we find the fourth commandment, about the Sabbath, that is introduced with the word “Remember.” Why is this one different? Did you ever ask yourself this question? Because God was commanding them to call something to memory that already existed but had been forgotten. Genesis describes the origin of the Sabbath in these words, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made” (Genesis 2:1-3).
Which day did God bless and sanctify? The seventh day. How was it to be kept holy? By resting. Could any of the other six be kept holy? No. Why? Because God commanded not to rest those days but to work. Does God’s blessing make a difference? Of course. This is why parents pray for God to bless their children. They believe it makes a difference. The seventh day is different from all the other six days, because it has God’s blessing.

Yes, the Sabbath [sunset Friday to sunset Saturday] was part of the original ten of about 600 other laws of the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic law covenant [contract] with only the nation or country of Israel.
That temporary Mosaic law came to an end in the first century according to Romans 10 v 4.

God rested from his creative works, and the 7th day of Genesis has No close to it as the other six creative days do close.
God's 7th day was still on going in the apostle Paul's day.-Hebrews 4 vs 4-10

Jesus was clear at John 5 v 17 that his Father works and so does Jesus.
God was resting from his 'creation' works, but Not all works as Jesus indicated.
Jesus continues at John 6 vs 28,29 that we should work the works of God.
Not meaning we can be a Creator, but the work of God to believe Jesus.
Jesus work was that he must preach the kingdom of God...-Luke 4 v 43.
Jesus gave us the commission work to also proclaim the good news of God's kingdom before the end comes of all badness on earth. -Matthew 24 v 14.
 

ForeverFaithful

Son Worshiper
Does Deut. 5:15 not say that The Sabbath was to remember the exodus, therefore it was for the israelites

To fulfill the law one mut simply love his God and neigbour (Gal 5:14)

I'm an ex-Adventist, and I approve this message
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Does Deut. 5:15 not say that The Sabbath was to remember the exodus, therefore it was for the israelites
To fulfill the law one must simply love his God and neigbour (Gal 5:14)
I'm an ex-Adventist, and I approve this message

Jesus being the end of law [Rom 10v4], Jesus taught more than love neighbor as self because in Jesus new commandment [John 13 vs 34,35] we are to love as Jesus loved us.
Love neighbor more than self.

- Gal 4 vs 9-11
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Yes, the Sabbath [sunset Friday to sunset Saturday] was part of the original ten of about 600 other laws of the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic law covenant [contract] with only the nation or country of Israel.
That temporary Mosaic law came to an end in the first century according to Romans 10 v 4.

URAVIP2ME, Rom.10:4 Isn't saying that which you are suggesting. "For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

"END" = telos= the end, purpose, goal, the termination point. Christ came to seek and save the lost. His Robe of righteousness is given to all who Believe, receive it and Obey.

The only law which HIS crucifixion put an end to was the Sacrificial/Ceremonial laws.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Does Deut. 5:15 not say that The Sabbath was to remember the exodus, therefore it was for the israelites

To fulfill the law one mut simply love his God and neigbour (Gal 5:14)

I'm an ex-Adventist, and I approve this message

Hi ForeverFaithful, welcome to the forums. Yes, Moses was recapping the events of the previous 40 years. Moses did remind the Israelites that it was the Creator GOD who with a mighty arm delievered them from bondage to Egypt and then re-introduced them to HIS Sabbath---430 years is a long time.
Are you forgetting that a "Mixed multitude" came out with the Israelites and God said that there would be only one law for all who choose to Have GOD as their GOD? Also, that it was the mission of Abraham through his seed that was to be a light unto the gentiles.----To be blessed
Yes, that Gal.5:14 is a part of the Great commandments(the second one) The First one had to do with "Loving GOD with all our being". The Decalogue attests to the fact and the Prophets testified to the truth of the matter.
 

Hispriest

Member
Yes, the Sabbath [sunset Friday to sunset Saturday] was part of the original ten of about 600 other laws of the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic law covenant [contract] with only the nation or country of Israel.
That temporary Mosaic law came to an end in the first century according to Romans 10 v 4.

God rested from his creative works, and the 7th day of Genesis has No close to it as the other six creative days do close.
God's 7th day was still on going in the apostle Paul's day.-Hebrews 4 vs 4-10

Jesus was clear at John 5 v 17 that his Father works and so does Jesus.
God was resting from his 'creation' works, but Not all works as Jesus indicated.
Jesus continues at John 6 vs 28,29 that we should work the works of God.
Not meaning we can be a Creator, but the work of God to believe Jesus.
Jesus work was that he must preach the kingdom of God...-Luke 4 v 43.
Jesus gave us the commission work to also proclaim the good news of God's kingdom before the end comes of all badness on earth. -Matthew 24 v 14.

Wow! Is so unbelievable that at this present time there are people that still said the same thing.
Why do you mix the Ten Commandments with the other ones? The ten are permanent as God Himself, the other ones were shadows of things to come.

Don’t feel bad, there are many people that don’t know this yet. But God give Moses the Ten Commandments and He (God) wrote them in stone with His own finger! (Ex. 31:18, Ex. 32:16), after this God give Moses instructions or give him more commandments, they were ordinances regulating the job of the tribe of Levi in temple service and sacrifices those (about 100+) commandments Moses wrote, these were suppose to be shadows of things to come. Now people make more commandments latter to protect this commandments because people didn’t respect the laws etc.

You probable saying by now, why you separate the laws? Well because God did it, and other people did it too, Please I beg you to keep reading.

Deuteronomy 4:13,14. "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone 14 "And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.
Please notice how Moses clearly separated the ten commandments, which "he commanded you," from the statutes which "he commanded me" to give the people.
Here is another verse:
2 Kings 21:8 "and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers -- only if they are careful to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them."
Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a "law." Any one can discern that two different laws are being described. God speaks of the law "I commanded" and also the "law...Moses commanded."
Only if we can make the same distinction. Unless this truth is understood properly, limitless confusion will result.
Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation.
Daniel 9:11 "Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.
Once more we see "Your law" and "the law of Moses," and this time the two are
recognized as different in content. There are no curses recorded in the ten commandments that God wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an abundance of such curses and judgments.
Another point is that this book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31: 24-26.) In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:16).
we can note several distinctions in the two laws. They had different authors, were written on different material, were placed in different locations and had totally different content
 

Hispriest

Member
Does Deut. 5:15 not say that The Sabbath was to remember the exodus, therefore it was for the israelites

To fulfill the law one mut simply love his God and neigbour (Gal 5:14)

I'm an ex-Adventist, and I approve this message

Oh my friend, the Sabbath was part of creation! Even before sin, and God says that was good; (Gen. 2: 1,2) But please read verse 3; Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. He blessed that day and sanctified! Do you think man has the power to change that?

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

When Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, the word "man" means all "mankind", for all people, for all time, in every place.
Exodus 20:8-11 is the fourth commandment of God's law. By making the Sabbath one of His Ten Commandments, He demonstrated its extreme importance. Verse 10 calls it "the sabbath of the Lord thy God." Only the fourth commandment begins with the word "remember," indicating God knew that people would forget. Breaking God's Ten Commandment law is sin (1 John 3:4). But Jesus died to save His people from their sins, or law-breaking (Matthew 1:21), what that means is that if you brake it you got the chance to repent and you'll be forgiven. God is good.
 

Shermana

Heretic
Yes, the Sabbath [sunset Friday to sunset Saturday] was part of the original ten of about 600 other laws of the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic law covenant [contract] with only the nation or country of Israel.
That temporary Mosaic law came to an end in the first century according to Romans 10 v 4.

God rested from his creative works, and the 7th day of Genesis has No close to it as the other six creative days do close.
God's 7th day was still on going in the apostle Paul's day.-Hebrews 4 vs 4-10

Jesus was clear at John 5 v 17 that his Father works and so does Jesus.
God was resting from his 'creation' works, but Not all works as Jesus indicated.
Jesus continues at John 6 vs 28,29 that we should work the works of God.
Not meaning we can be a Creator, but the work of God to believe Jesus.
Jesus work was that he must preach the kingdom of God...-Luke 4 v 43.
Jesus gave us the commission work to also proclaim the good news of God's kingdom before the end comes of all badness on earth. -Matthew 24 v 14.

If Paul says that the Law of Moses was temporary then hopefully you admit that he completely contradicts Jesus with this.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
If Paul says that the Law of Moses was temporary then hopefully you admit that he completely contradicts Jesus with this.

Paul doesn't contradict Jesus and the sacrificial/Ceremonial laws were a part of the
first Covenant which had those Sacrificial/Ceremonial laws which were for "the time then present." See Heb.9:1, 9-10; 10:1, 4; Luke 24:27, 44-48; Gal.1:11-12; Col.2:9-17. The "until the time of reformation"- when Jesus would "fulfill those laws" which pointed to HIM as "shadows".
The Decalogue was never questioned by Paul. As He wrote in Romans 7:7,12,14, the Decalogue(law---known by the sin of covet) is Holy, just, good, and spiritual.
 
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Shermana

Heretic
Paul doesn't contradict Jesus and the sacrificial/Ceremonial laws were a part of the
first Covenant which had those Sacrificial/Ceremonial laws which were for "the time then present." See Heb.9:1, 9-10; 10:1, 4; Luke 24:27, 44-48; Gal.1:11-12; Col.2:9-17. The "until the time of reformation"- when Jesus would "fulfill those laws" which pointed to HIM as "shadows".
The Decalogue was never questioned by Paul. As He wrote in Romans 7:7,12,14, the Decalogue(law---known by the sin of covet) is Holy, just, good, and spiritual.

Who is to say what is and isn't ceremonial? Why does Zechariah and Ezekiel imply that there will be sacrifices in the end days when the Egyptians come out to worship on Succoth? The Bible has no categorizing of what is "ceremonial", it's just a way of picking and choosing what laws you want to follow.

What does Jesus mean by anyone who teaches to break the least of the commandments shall be called the least in the kingdom? Jesus says not a single iota of the Law shall be void. None. Til Heaven and Earth collapse and even then. If Jesus says you must strive for the narrow gate and you only get in through righteous obedience, anything Paul says otherwise is contradictory. Jesus is quite clear that your works are what saves or condemns you.

But let's just look at your statement that you don't think Paul questioned the Decalogue, do you then believe that one should honor Sabbath on the Sabbath day or not?
 
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Hispriest

Member
Paul doesn't contradict Jesus and the sacrificial/Ceremonial laws were a part of the
first Covenant which had those Sacrificial/Ceremonial laws which were for "the time then present." See Heb.9:1, 9-10; 10:1, 4; Luke 24:27, 44-48; Gal.1:11-12; Col.2:9-17. The "until the time of reformation"- when Jesus would "fulfill those laws" which pointed to HIM as "shadows".
The Decalogue was never questioned by Paul. As He wrote in Romans 7:7,12,14, the Decalogue(law---known by the sin of covet) is Holy, just, good, and spiritual.
:clap
 

Hispriest

Member
Who is to say what is and isn't ceremonial? Why does Zechariah and Ezekiel imply that there will be sacrifices in the end days when the Egyptians come out to worship on Succoth? The Bible has no categorizing of what is "ceremonial", it's just a way of picking and choosing what laws you want to follow.

What does Jesus mean by anyone who teaches to break the least of the commandments shall be called the least in the kingdom? Jesus says not a single iota of the Law shall be void. None. Til Heaven and Earth collapse and even then. If Jesus says you must strive for the narrow gate and you only get in through righteous obedience, anything Paul says otherwise is contradictory. Jesus is quite clear that your works are what saves or condemns you.

But let's just look at your statement that you don't think Paul questioned the Decalogue, do you then believe that one should honor Sabbath on the Sabbath day or not?

The Moral Law was spoken by God to all the Hebrews at Mount Sinai, and then written with His own finger twice on stone. The Moral Law was then placed inside the ark under the mercy seat. The other commandments God dictated to Moses, he wrote them and this were put on the side of the of the ark.
So, just right there you got the Ten Commandments separated from the other ones; this other commandments were ceremonial laws for the temple, like: priests, high priests, killing of the lamb, washing of hands and feet and so on. We all know that this ceremonial laws ended at the cross; Jesus becomes “the lamb” the “High Priest” and of course His followers His priests etc.
God never mix the ten with the other commandments and is very clear in the Bible. Why people wants to put all in one pile? I really don’t know, but if all the laws ended including the ten, then the question is, Can we kill? Can we dishonor our parents? Can we have other gods? I hope your answer is a big NO.
 

Shermana

Heretic
The Moral Law was spoken by God to all the Hebrews at Mount Sinai, and then written with His own finger twice on stone. The Moral Law was then placed inside the ark under the mercy seat. The other commandments God dictated to Moses, he wrote them and this were put on the side of the of the ark.
Feel free to show where the Scripture itself makes a dividing. The 10 commandments, as even Philo explains, surmises the rest of them. The other commandments are ways of obeying the initial 10. The commandment to not kindle a fire on Sabbath requires obeying of Sabbath to follow for example.

So, just right there you got the Ten Commandments separated from the other ones;
And what about the second set of 10 commandments that are separated from the first? There is a reason these are "Separated", they are the "base set" from which all others derive. Do you think only the 10 laws you need to obey? Do you think there are no laws among the other commandments one is required to obey?

this other commandments were ceremonial laws for the temple, like: priests, high priests, killing of the lamb, washing of hands and feet and so on.
Do you really think that's all they conclude? How about the law saying that you can't marry your sister, do you think that one's now allowed?


We all know that this ceremonial laws ended at the cross
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I guess not all. Why do you suppose in Zechariah it is clear that the Egyptians will obey Succoth or they will face barren fields in the last days? Do you think the sexual impurity laws are "Ceremonial"?
Jesus becomes “the lamb” the “High Priest” and of course His followers His priests etc.
What do you suppose it means to be a "Priest" exactly?
and is very clear in the Bible
No, the view I espouse is what's clearly in the Bible. Do you think Isaiah 66 will not apply in the end days?

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Why people wants to put all in one pile? I really don’t know, but if all the laws ended including the ten, then the question is, Can we kill? Can we dishonor our parents? Can we have other gods? I hope your answer is a big NO.
Why is your answer a big no exactly? What do you think is the consequence of breaking those laws? Do you believe in honoring the Sabbath or do you find some way to get out of that one?

God never mix the ten with the other commandments
Jesus certainly "mixes" them. When he addresses the rich man, and tells him which commandments to obey, he includes "do not steal" and "Do not defraud" in the same sentence, they are separate commandments, but to not "Defraud" is found within the 600, just like how other commandments are "filled in" by the 10 encompassing ones. I'd like to also ask what you mean by "God never mixes them", how would he mix them exactly?



 

Hispriest

Member
Feel free to show where the Scripture itself makes a dividing. The 10 commandments, as even Philo explains, surmises the rest of them. The other commandments are ways of obeying the initial 10. The commandment to not kindle a fire on Sabbath requires obeying of Sabbath to follow for example.​



And what about the second set of 10 commandments that are separated from the first? There is a reason these are "Separated", they are the "base set" from which all others derive. Do you think only the 10 laws you need to obey? Do you think there are no laws among the other commandments one is required to obey?

Do you really think that's all they conclude? How about the law saying that you can't marry your sister, do you think that one's now allowed?​


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I guess not all. Why do you suppose in Zechariah it is clear that the Egyptians will obey Succoth or they will face barren fields in the last days? Do you think the sexual impurity laws are "Ceremonial"?
What do you suppose it means to be a "Priest" exactly?No, the view I espouse is what's clearly in the Bible. Do you think Isaiah 66 will not apply in the end days?​

. Why is your answer a big no exactly? What do you think is the consequence of breaking those laws? Do you believe in honoring the Sabbath or do you find some way to get out of that one? Jesus certainly "mixes" them. When he addresses the rich man, and tells him which commandments to obey, he includes "do not steal" and "Do not defraud" in the same sentence, they are separate commandments, but to not "Defraud" is found within the 600, just like how other commandments are "filled in" by the 10 encompassing ones. I'd like to also ask what you mean by "God never mixes them", how would he mix them exactly?​





Sure it will be my peasure:

Deuteronomy 4:13,14. "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone 14 "And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Please notice how Moses clearly separated the ten commandments, which "he commanded you," from the statutes which "he commanded me" to give the people.
Here is another verse:

2 Kings 21:8 "and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers -- only if they are careful to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them."

Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a "law." Any one can discern that two different laws are being described. God speaks of the law "I commanded" and also the "law...Moses commanded."
Only if we can make the same distinction. Unless this truth is understood properly, limitless confusion will result.

Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation.

Daniel 9:11 "Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.

Once more we see "Your law" and "the law of Moses," and this time the two are
recognized as different in content. There are no curses recorded in the ten commandments that God wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an abundance of such curses and judgments.
Another point is that this book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31: 24-26. In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:16).
we can note several distinctions in the two laws. They had different authors, were written on different material, were placed in different locations and had totally different content
 

Shermana

Heretic
Sure it will be my peasure:

Deuteronomy 4:13,14. "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone 14 "And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Please notice how Moses clearly separated the ten commandments, which "he commanded you," from the statutes which "he commanded me" to give the people.

Okay, let's suppose that it actually does separate them. Let's see where it ever mentions anything about those statutes and judgments being anything less than "For all your generations", "forever and ever".
Here is another verse:

2 Kings 21:8 "and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers -- only if they are careful to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them."
Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a "law." Any one can discern that two different laws are being described. God speaks of the law "I commanded" and also the "law...Moses commanded."
Only if we can make the same distinction. Unless this truth is understood properly, limitless confusion will result.
No, there is no difference in the source of the commandments whether it was G-d's direct words or what he gave for Moses to teach. If Moses was commanded to teach, it was what he was commanded to teach, by extension, it was G-d's law all the same. Please cite a single link that says they were 2 different laws to back your argument. Nowhere does it imply that what would be "for all generations" would be broken, ever.

Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation.

Daniel 9:11 "Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.
By sinning against the Law of Moses, one sins against G-d. I think that should be all one needs to see the relevance of the "Law of Moses" to the overall "Law of G-d". What do you do in situations of overlap? When Noah was told to bring "Clean animals", it was because "Clean animals" were part of the Law of G-d, not of the "Law of Moses", even though the Law given through Moses includes differentation of the "clean animals". The distinction made appears to only be that of a set of commandments directly told through Moses which are all the same said to be "for all generations", if any is to be made.
Once more we see "Your law" and "the law of Moses," and this time the two are
There's not necessarily a distinction. "The Law of Moses" and "Your Law" may be one in the same. If I said "Your Law" and "The constitution" in regards to the Federal government of the USA, there'd be little distinction. Saying "The Law of Moses" and "Your Law" does not necessitate a difference, if the Law of Moses indicates what is a sin in the eyes of G-d.

recognized as different in content. There are no curses recorded in the ten commandments that God wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an abundance of such curses and judgments.
Another point is that this book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31: 24-26. In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:16).
Even if you make this distinction, the entirety of the Law is still never anywhere said to be less than "For all generations", "For all the ages".
we can note several distinctions in the two laws. They had different authors, were written on different material, were placed in different locations and had totally different content
Jesus seems to refer to many of the teachings of the other commandments as by Moses himself, how do you reconcile that? Even if you interpreted it as two different Laws and not as One Law through the 10 but described in detail in the 600 how to fully obey those 10, you have yet to explain whether you believe ONLY the 10 commandments need be followed. If you think that's all, prepare for a can of worms.
 

Hispriest

Member
Okay, let's suppose that it actually does separate them. Let's see where it ever mentions anything about those statutes and judgments being anything less than "For all your generations", "forever and ever".
No, there is no difference in the source of the commandments whether it was G-d's direct words or what he gave for Moses to teach. If Moses was commanded to teach, it was what he was commanded to teach, by extension, it was G-d's law all the same. Please cite a single link that says they were 2 different laws to back your argument. Nowhere does it imply that what would be "for all generations" would be broken, ever.

By sinning against the Law of Moses, one sins against G-d. I think that should be all one needs to see the relevance of the "Law of Moses" to the overall "Law of G-d". What do you do in situations of overlap? When Noah was told to bring "Clean animals", it was because "Clean animals" were part of the Law of G-d, not of the "Law of Moses", even though the Law given through Moses includes differentation of the "clean animals". The distinction made appears to only be that of a set of commandments directly told through Moses which are all the same said to be "for all generations", if any is to be made.
There's not necessarily a distinction. "The Law of Moses" and "Your Law" may be one in the same. If I said "Your Law" and "The constitution" in regards to the Federal government of the USA, there'd be little distinction. Saying "The Law of Moses" and "Your Law" does not necessitate a difference, if the Law of Moses indicates what is a sin in the eyes of G-d.

Even if you make this distinction, the entirety of the Law is still never anywhere said to be less than "For all generations", "For all the ages".
Jesus seems to refer to many of the teachings of the other commandments as by Moses himself, how do you reconcile that? Even if you interpreted it as two different Laws and not as One Law through the 10 but described in detail in the 600 how to fully obey those 10, you have yet to explain whether you believe ONLY the 10 commandments need be followed. If you think that's all, prepare for a can of worms.


I believed you are talking about the 613 commandments right? Well, If you put attention to those commandments you’ll see that lot of them, maybe 60 or more are about the Sabbath that should be keep Holy, of course this is said in many ways; Practically the majority are in the ten Commandments.
Then you have the ones for the ceremony of the temple, about 200+ which is not standing; so most were for the priests; some were only for men while others only for women; some were only for a certain point in time; some for Nazirite vows.
Something that you don’t realize is that most of the 613 commandments were more of a man-made tradition rather than an actual number of commandments sent down by God.
 

Shermana

Heretic
Something that you don’t realize is that most of the 613 commandments were more of a man-made tradition rather than an actual number of commandments sent down by God.
Please show where the Bible distinctly states which parts were not commanded by G-d to command the Israelites.
 
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