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Does the universe need intelligence to order it?

Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thief said:
A confession...at last.
All that is left is your renouncement of the word salad you've been posting.
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Tell 'ya what, Thiefie, old chap: I'll confess if you let me toss some nice fluffy word salad into your coffin so you can have a little variety when screaming bloody murder, Okee Dokee?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
savagewind said:
Next time the riddle should read thusly; If 10 people walk into a dark room each carrying a lighted lantern, how many lights are there?
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In either case, there is only one light, but several sources of light, those sources being lanterns. Whether there are 1 or100 lighted lanterns makes no difference. There is still just one light. However, the intensity of the one light will vary.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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godnotgod said:
In either case, there is only one light, but several sources of light, those sources being lanterns. Whether there are 1 or100 lighted lanterns makes no difference. There is still just one light. However, the intensity of the one light will vary.
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Yes, the intensity will vary is why I asked "what is light?"
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Midnight Rain said:
No. The direction, potential color, intensity and source of all the lights would vary depending on the number and position of the lights.
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Assuming no obstructions between lanterns, the light from each would negate those parameters, merging into one light.

I am a wood finisher. Colors under warm fluorescent lamps compared to cool white lamps yields a different color from the same sample due to what is called the color temperature. But when you combine the two light types in the same room, they merge and create a blended color temperature different than the individual lamps do. The result is one light.
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
godnotgod said:
'The latest edition of New Scientist has a fascinating article titled “Quantum shadows: The mystery of matter deepens” by Anil Ananthaswamy (requires free registration to read). It discusses recent experiments conducted to try (yet again) to determine why photons sometimes appear as particles and sometimes appear as waves (the famous “double slit” experiment).

In this latest experiment, researchers have removed the human interference in deciding whether or not the system is “open” or “closed”. Without trying to explain the science (because it’s way over my head), the results are fascinating. Essentially the article suggests that photons (and, by extension, all other sub-atomic particles) are NEITHER particles NOR waves. Instead, the concepts of “particles” and “waves” are ideas that we are placing on quantum particles because our brains aren’t able to understand what is truly going on. Here’s Anil’s conclusion:

It’s a notion that takes us straight back into Plato’s cave, says Ionicioiu. In the ancient Greek philosopher’s allegory, prisoners shackled in a cave see only shadows of objects cast onto a cave wall, never the object itself. A cylinder, for example, might be seen as a rectangle or a circle, or anything in between. Something similar is happening with the basic building blocks of reality. “Sometimes the photon looks like a wave, sometimes like a particle, or like anything in between,” says Ionicioiu. In reality, though, it is none of these things. What it is, though, we do not have the words or the concepts to express.'

physics | The Three Illusions
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Most excellent. :)
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
godnotgod said:
If we are separate consciousnesses, where does one leave off and the other begin, and where does consciousness leave off and the non-conscious universe begin?

How does the material brain both create and then contain non-material consciuosness?

What is that makes you think there are separate consciousnesses?
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I might add to that if God is to judge the world, how could he do it if there were more than one Consciousness? This would mean that we would be influenced by other consciousnesses. How then would we be free. So yes, it has to be One Consciousness (Goswami)
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
savagewind said:
I think I don't agree. One weak light would make the room slighty lit. Ten strong lights would make the room bright. Slightly lit is one kind of light but bright is another. That's two.
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But still only one light,..haha. I think this is deep, one might say, philosophical, thoguh I would'nt. The room is lit by light, even if it comes from ten sources. How can there be ten lights there. Do we walk out of each dimension into the next? :p
 
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