Does the universe need intelligence to order it?

[YmirGF]

Say a decision can turn out X or Y, and X is chosen. Then the question, What made the decision turn out X instead of Y? , is answered by a new decision between P and Q. If P is chosen, then the resulting opiniin is that P made the decision turn out X instead of Y.

That is the basic logic of how subjectivity works, how statements about what is good, loving and beautiful are arrived at.

The existence of God and the soul are also a matter of opinion.

That's just spiffy.

 

[YmirGF]

Is not making the claim being deluded? Logic 101.

Exactly, you're boxed in and you have nowhere to go. This could be one of these wonderful "teaching" moments, you know.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Cosmic Consciousness = Universal Consciousness = Enlightenment.

Unfortunately you haven't provided any credible support for this claim, not even in terms of your own personal experience.

Sorry but it's just an empty and worthless claim, and not worth any further discussion.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Is not making the claim being deluded?

That's a good one, let's add it to the list!

So the question was asked: "Are you claiming to be enlightened?" It's actually a very straightforward question with a yes/no answer.

Replies so far:
"Have I ever?"
"Everyone is already enlightened."
"Am I?"
"Are you claiming to be fixated on the jerk of a knee?"
"Is not making a claim being deluded?"
"I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded."

I think that's a "no".

 

[YmirGF]

It could be, but not for me, but for you, because you're reading the sentence incorrectly. IOW, I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded. Now do you see?

Ah... so you're just sort of a little bit enlightened? Itsy-bitsy, teeny, weeny Polka dotted Enlightenment?

 

[YmirGF]

That's a good one, let's add it to the list!

So the question was asked: "Are you claiming to be enlightened?" It's actually a very straightforward question with a yes/no answer.

Replies so far:
"Have I ever?"
"Everyone is already enlightened."
"Am I?"
"Are you claiming to be fixated on the jerk of a knee?"
"Is not making a claim being deluded?"
"I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded."

I think that's a "no".

Meanwhile everything he is saying points to the moon of his understanding in that he is in fact enlightened.

And we can only shiver in anticipation of his next utterance from on high...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Does your sect of Buddhism teach you that the Buddha nature is within?

Yep. What's your point? Is this another of your diversionary tactics?

 

[godnotgod]

That's a good one, let's add it to the list!

So the question was asked: "Are you claiming to be enlightened?" It's actually a very straightforward question with a yes/no answer.

Replies so far:
"Have I ever?"
"Everyone is already enlightened."
"Am I?"
"Are you claiming to be fixated on the jerk of a knee?"
"Is not making a claim being deluded?"
"I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded."

I think that's a "no".

You, like migthty mouse, are reading the sentence incorrectly. Is it obvious to you by now that I have never made such a claim either way? You must surmise that I must have a reason for not making such a claim.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

That's just spiffy.

Again, evolution theory is obviously anti-emotion in practise, they all have the same overall sarcastic mindset.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I have never made such a claim either way

OK.

So the question was asked: "Are you claiming to be enlightened?" It's actually a very straightforward question with a yes/no answer.

Replies so far:
"Have I ever?"
"Everyone is already enlightened."
"Am I?"
"Are you claiming to be fixated on the jerk of a knee?"
"Is not making a claim being deluded?"
"I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded."
"I have never made such a claim either way."

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yes, but did he provide information as to validity?

No.

But where do the laws come from that order everything? It seems no better an answer to stop there, and then have even more questions that before. There is science theory that says everything at its fundamental level in consciousness. Scripture has said it or hinted at it for a long long time now.

What brought the laws into existence? That is a good question. As of now it is unknown. But consciousness and intelligence is not required at any level as far as we know.

And what theory of science says everything at its fundamental level is consciousness> I would like a link.

 

[YmirGF]

Again, evolution theory is obviously anti-emotion in practise, they all have the same overall sarcastic mindset.

Does it never occur to you what generates the sarcasm? Seriously, it's not like creationists have a leg to stand on.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Can you answer?

I just did. Actually Theravada doesn't teach Buddha nature, but I'm happy to go along with your game. Nibbana is an individual experience and there is no idea of cosmic consciousness. But I've already explained all this to you.

Coming from you questions are never "direct and without ulterior motive". Nor are your answers.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You're making much too much of it. It's much simpler than all that.

Okay I have to ask: Do you believe in God as the God described in the Bible, and the son of God Yahshuah as the saviour?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Are you claiming that I am enlightened?

So the question was asked: "Are you claiming to be enlightened?" It's actually a very straightforward question with a yes/no answer.

Replies so far:
"Have I ever?"
"Everyone is already enlightened."
"Am I?"
"Are you claiming to be fixated on the jerk of a knee?"
"Is not making a claim being deluded?"
"I am not making the claim to being enlightened, but that does not translate to being deluded."
"I have never made such a claim either way."
"Are you claiming that I am enlightened?"

 

[YmirGF]

Are you claiming that I am enlightened?

Not a hope that I would say you are enlightened, godnotgod. Nice evasion though, I'll give you that.

 

[YmirGF]

Okay I have to ask: Do you believe in God as the God described in the Bible, and the son of God Yahshuah as the saviour?

*Trembles with excitement at the probable answer to this wonderful question*

 

[Robert.Evans]

No.


What brought the laws into existence? That is a good question. As of now it is unknown. But consciousness and intelligence is not required at any level as far as we know.

And what theory of science says everything at its fundamental level is consciousness> I would like a link.

Reference Goswami or Hagelin. I know they are not accepted mainstream, but it is still a theory, in the one sense of the word.

 

[godnotgod]

Sounds like evasion to me. Careful don't slip on your potato peels...

I am neither evading, nor not-evading. Think about both the nature and the motive of the question being asked.

 

[godnotgod]

Ah... so you're just sort of a little bit enlightened? Itsy-bitsy, teeny, weeny Polka dotted Enlightenment?

Would you like some candy?