TagliatelliMonster
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But not you, right?Where is your evidence they were truly christians? IMO a large proportion of church goes are hypocrites.
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But not you, right?Where is your evidence they were truly christians? IMO a large proportion of church goes are hypocrites.
Atheism merely refers to the absence of a specific thing, while things like Humanism, Buddhism etc point to the presence of things.
Theism is a generalized term for the presence of a specific thing, which all theistic religions have in common.
I think it's even worse.
Theism can lead to the most immoral behavior imaginable, while believing that very behavior is not only righteous but even a moral duty
As that infamous quote goes:
Good people will do good things.
Bad people will do bad things.
For good people to do bad things, that takes religion
For example, people in Nigeria wouldn't be burning "witches", if the bible didn't tell them that they exist and must be killed.
I'm interpreting what is there. That's not hard to do.
All your doing is just saying I'm wrong but with nothing to back the claim up. But in truth there are very, very few Christians who actually have listened to me and considered what I say. They don't dismiss me just to safeguard their ego.
Yeah, guarding a possession most likely isn't going to be worth it. Most the time it's replacable or the risks are just too great.
apples and oranges - different religion. Not only do you go to the Law and out of the New Testament but then you also go to a different religion. Do you see why I say "You don't understand the bible?"We see how nasty this is in places like India or Pakistan where they have honor killgs, sepuku and kamikaze in Japan, or even an idea of masculinity in America that is self destructive and eager to look down on women as, as the definition of #3, possessions to be guarded.
Your point is quite hypocritical.Seems to me you're more sorry for the damage suffered to the cult called Christianity than you are sorry about my, or others abused by the Church, suffering that happened.
If this isn't the case then why keep insisting I'm wrong and was in with hypocrites? Amd that's what so very many Christians do. It's nothing wrong with the Bible saying people deserve death and are abominations and have done sin with just a thought, it's me and how I just wamted to sin. It was a false church. My faith was never true.
But the icing on the cake is how these behaviors help drive people from Christianity. After all, you dismiss the complaints of those who leave as.nothing to be concerned about amd try to downplay the garbage and baggage found in the Bible.
Yes... people are people. Won't deny that. And certainly people can twist the Gospel of Love. Do you think that those "Christians" who supported slavery were actually "Loving their neighbor as themselves"? Anyone can twist the faith that Jesus presented but does that change the true Gospel?I agree.
But (most) people aren't born with a fully fledged moral system. They have their instincts and they have their socialization. Part of the socialization are the books that influence them. And the Bible (or other religious texts) are not a positive influence. Given the numbers of people who read the Bible and how they turn out to be compared to people who read, let's say Kant, and how they turn out to be, there is a bad track record for the Bible.
Yes, there are very moral Christian people, even by modern standards. But for every Dietrich Bonhoeffer you get a Greg Locke, a Fred Phelps and a Kent Hovind. Did the Bible help them on their path? They claim so and the later three sure like to cite the parts they find most influential.
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Or is it that you think that if a man is in the bedroom with a wife in the middle of the night and there is a noise outside of the house that the man should say to the woman, "OK, honey, it is your turn to get the bat and go check to see who is out there"?
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That is too simple an example. But I get it now. You are the standard for all humans, because you are that special. The true human to God. Anything you say, can't be any different, because you are the truth on earth.
Why do you think so?It demands belief in magic.
That is like saying, a law book leads to immoral behavior. But I agree, lying with a man, as with a woman, is detestible.Doctrine.
For example: Leviticus 18:22,Leviticus 20:13
Ok, I would also think cannibalism is wrong. Luckily Christianity has no ritual cannibalism, if Christianity is what the Bible teaches.So many reasons, so little space. I guess the most ridiculous is the ritual cannibalism.
Without religion the world might even be worse.The difference is that there is nothing inherent to atheism that motivates such bad behavior, while there absolutely is in plenty of theistic religions.
For example, people in Nigeria wouldn't be burning "witches", if the bible didn't tell them that they exist and must be killed.
Take that up with all the Christians who celebrate the Eucharist.Ok, I would also think cannibalism is wrong. Luckily Christianity has no ritual cannibalism, if Christianity is what the Bible teaches.
In reality, rather than as some textbook concept unrelated to how the human mind actually works in the world we actually live in, atheism is usually a stance one holds in relation to the existence of gods.
Anyone who consciously holds a stance relating to the existence of gods is impacted by that, and anyone who is consciously an atheist holds a stance.
In a world where people believe gods exist and where god beliefs have been very important in shaping the world we live in, atheism does not have to be an important part of your worldview, but for many people it is (Secular humanists for example).
It underpins numerous components of their worldview and how they view the worldviews of others.
Even if we say it does not have to have an impact for all people, it is perfectly obvious that atheism can be a significant component in a broader worldview, just as theism may be a significant component in a broader worldview.
While some theistic belief systems can do that, there is nothing special about theistic belief systems that make them better or different at doing that than other ideologies.
Good people can do bad things based on secular ideology just as easily as theistic ideology.
What matters are the tenets of the ideology, not whether it is theistic.
This isn't remotely true as is clear to anyone who has lived in a country where belief in traditional magic is widespread. Many people in many countries genuinely believe in magic, both white and black. These are legacies of pre-Abrahamic cultural practices far more than being products of them.
You don't have to twist the message, it is about selecting what you want to believe. And even the most peaceful and moral of Christians refuse to edit or recompile the Bible. So everybody can read into it what they believed before.Yes... people are people. Won't deny that. And certainly people can twist the Gospel of Love. Do you think that those "Christians" who supported slavery were actually "Loving their neighbor as themselves"? Anyone can twist the faith that Jesus presented but does that change the true Gospel?
Evolution.Ever thought of "Who hardwired the initial moral system"?
But not you, right?
Resurrections of the dead, physically impossible floods, physically impossible celestial events, magical plagues, magical splitting of seas, the magical appearance of food from the sky, turning water into wine, making the blind see through what-I-can-only-call magic spells, talking burning bushes,......Why do you think so?
That is like saying, a law book leads to immoral behavior.
But I agree, lying with a man, as with a woman, is detestible.
Without religion the world might even be worse.
I'm an atheist.Sure. I'm a strong believer in god just like you.
I don’t think soEvery social health index / statistic in the world tells us that countries with low religiosity (incl dogmatic ideology of any kind) tells us that the opposite is true.
The best countries to live in today (in terms of life expectancy, literacy, overall societal health indexes across the board) are secular democracies with low levels of religiosity.
The higher the religiosity / authority imposed dogma, the more of a hellhole it tends to be.
All countries have religionEvery social health index / statistic in the world tells us that countries with low religiosity (incl dogmatic ideology of any kind) tells us that the opposite is true.
The best countries to live in today (in terms of life expectancy, literacy, overall societal health indexes across the board) are secular democracies with low levels of religiosity.
The higher the religiosity / authority imposed dogma, the more of a hellhole it tends to be.