Does this mean Jesus is God?

[InChrist]

Why would God be restricted in the flesh. It doesn't make sense. He therefore was not, in any case, equal to his father. God.. was in Mary's womb? Was he a baby? Remember what someone said to the grown man Jesus about his mother's breasts feeding him? No, sorry, Jesus wasn't God equal to the other two supposed Godpersons. New International Version
"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” Luke 11:27 the other supposed Godpersons, do you think they were ever born as humans?

It makes sense that Jesus ( the unique fully human/fully God Being) would resurrect from the dead because that is the only way any human has hope of eternal life. Because He is God He has the power to live a sinless life and conquer death for humanity and because He was human we have the opportunity to share in His victory over sin and death.


Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching isempty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if thedead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19

 

[YoursTrue]

Catholics do say Mary is the mother of God, but that is biblically inaccurate. I am not Catholic. According to the scriptures, Jesus is fully God and fully human. Mary was his earthy human mother. The Eternal God the Father is His Father. Mary is not the mother of the eternal God -Father/Son/Holy Spirit who has existed from eternity with no beginning. She is only the human mother of Jesus Christ, who had a beginning when the Son became flesh.

Perhaps you might be able to reason with @Dogknox20 about Mary, and we can go over the reasoning and scriptures as to why Jesus is not equal to his Father in various ways. But that does not mean that he does not have great power. He does. And while on the earth, he certainly demonstrated that God was "with him."

 

[YoursTrue]

It makes sense that Jesus ( the unique fully human/fully God Being) would resurrect from the dead because that is the only way any human has hope of eternal life.


Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching isempty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if thedead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19

God Almighty never dies. No part of God dies.

 

[InChrist]

The fact that Jesus is more powerful than humans does not mean that he is equal to God his Father. Furthermore, he was born on the earth as a human. He gave up his heavenly position and rose back to heaven after his death and resurrection.

The fact that Jesus is more powerful than humans and the examples of His abilities presented in the scriptures, tells me that Jesus is God. I don’t question the fact that He left His heavenly position temporarily and rose back to heaven after the resurrection. That’s what the scriptures say.

 

[InChrist]

Perhaps you might be able to reason with @Dogknox20 about Mary, and we can go over the reasoning and scriptures as to why Jesus is not equal to his Father in various ways. But that does not mean that he does not have great power. He does. And while on the earth, he certainly demonstrated that God was "with him."

I doubt I can reason with a devout Catholic about Mary.
I believe the Son and Father are equal, nevertheless each with distinct roles. The Son honors His Father, but that does not mean they are not equal in Attributes, Abilities, Character, Power, etc.

 

[InChrist]

God Almighty never dies. No part of God dies.

Of course God Almighty never dies. Jesus, the Son, died in the flesh only.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

S. The religious tribunal that convicted Jesus of blasphemy lied.

Which accusations were wrong?

 

[YoursTrue]

It makes sense that Jesus ( the unique fully human/fully God Being) would resurrect from the dead because that is the only way any human has hope of eternal life. Because He is God He has the power to live a sinless life and conquer death for humanity and because He was human we have the opportunity to share in His victory over sin and death.


Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching isempty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if thedead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19

The question can be, why did Christ die if he was "God-in-the-flesh." It is important to understand that Adam was tempted and he succumbed to the temptation, the penalty was put before him. He was not promised or offered the possibility of a resurrection. It was because of this that humanity has been made subject to death and imperfection.
Jesus was tempted but he did not succumb to the temptation. He died without breaking his integrity to God, his Father in heaven. And he was brought back from the dead. Take care, InChrist.
Two scriptures I offer to show that Jesus was tempted by the Devil but did not give in to temptation, therefore maintained his innocence, and the second which shows that God cannot be tried, or put to the test, because He is God, that way.
Luke 4 - Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness 2 for 40 days, being tempted by the Devil.
James 1 - When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course God Almighty never dies. Jesus, the Son, died in the flesh only.

So let us take that as an example? Since God the Father never dies, no part of Him dies, there are several questions to be examined here. Which brings to mind the relevance of the resurrection. Anyway, gotta go, perhaps talk to you later.

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe I have run across a translation of them as breath. I am not sure how literal that can be construed.

Hi, Muffled. I was studying some part of Ezekiel earlier and thought of your question. Notice the difference of translations here as the Almighty God spoke to Ezekiel.

• Ezekiel 37:5
  American Standard Version "Thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live.

• Ezekiel 37:5
  The Emphasized Bible "Thus saith My Lord Yahweh, Unto these bones,—Lo! I am about to bring into you—spirit, and ye shall live;"
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• Ezekiel 37:5
  King James Version\
  "Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

King James Version says BREATH there, while the American Standard Version & the Emphasized Bible translates it as SPIRIT. (More perhaps later...)

 

[Dogknox20]

The fact that Jesus is more powerful than humans and the examples of His abilities presented in the scriptures, tells me that Jesus is God. I don’t question the fact that He left His heavenly position temporarily and rose back to heaven after the resurrection. That’s what the scriptures say.

InChrist hello.. Happy Easter...
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

The scriptures tell us > Mary is the Ark the covenant below is an excerpt from "Catholic Answers" using scripture they point out how Mary is significant in God' plan for us!

• Mary arose and went to the hill country of Judea. I have been to both Ein Kerem (where Elizabeth lived) and Abu Ghosh (where the ark resided), and they are only a short walk apart. Mary and the ark were both on a journey to the same hill country of Judea.
• When David saw the ark he rejoiced and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” Elizabeth uses almost the same words: “Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” Luke is telling us something—drawing our minds back to the Old Testament, showing us a parallel.
• When David approached the ark he shouted out and danced and leapt in front of the ark. He was wearing an ephod, the clothing of a priest. When Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, approached Elizabeth, John the Baptist leapt in his mother’s womb—and John was from the priestly line of Aaron. Both leapt and danced in the presence of the ark. The Ark of the Old Covenant remained in the house of Obed-edom for three months, and Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth for three months. The place that housed the ark for three months was blessed, and in the short paragraph in Luke, Elizabeth uses the word blessed three times. Her home was certainly blessed by the presence of the ark and the Lord within.
• When the Old Testament ark arrived—as when Mary arrived—they were both greeted with shouts of joy. The word for the cry of Elizabeth’s greeting is a rare Greek word used in connection with Old Testament liturgical ceremonies that were centered around the ark and worship (cf. Word Biblical Commentary, 67). This word would flip on the light switch for any knowledgeable Jew.
• The ark returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God’s presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sm 6:12; 1 Kgs 8:9-11). Mary returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Lk 1:56; 2:21-22).

The Old Testament tells us that one item was placed inside the Ark of the Old Covenant while in the Sinai wilderness: God told Moses to put the stone tablets with the Ten Commandments inside the ark (Dt 10:3-5). Hebrews 9:4 informs us that two additional items were placed in the Ark: “a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded.” Notice the amazing parallels: In the ark was the law of God inscribed in stone; in Mary’s womb was the Word of God in flesh. In the ark was the urn of manna, the bread from heaven that kept God’s people alive in the wilderness; in Mary’s womb is the Bread of Life come down from heaven that brings eternal life. In the ark was the rod of Aaron, the proof of true priesthood; in Mary’s womb is the true priest. In the third century, St. Gregory the Wonder Worker said that Mary is truly an ark—”gold within and gold without, and she has received in her womb all the treasures of the sanctuary.”

While the apostle John was exiled on the island of Patmos, he wrote something that would have shocked any first-century Jew. The ark of the Old Covenant had been lost for centuries—no one had seen it for about 600 years. But in Revelation 11:19, John makes a surprising announcement: “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple.”

At this point chapter 11 ends and chapter 12 begins. But the Bible was not written with chapter divisions—they were added in the 12th century. When John penned these words, there was no division between chapters 11 and 12; it was a continuing narrative.

What did John say immediately after seeing the Ark of the Covenant in heaven? “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child” (Rv 12:1-2). The woman is Mary, the Ark of the Covenant, revealed by God to John. She was seen bearing the child who would rule the world with a rod of iron (Rv 12:5). Mary was seen as the ark and as a queen.

 

[YoursTrue]

It makes sense that Jesus ( the unique fully human/fully God Being) would resurrect from the dead because that is the only way any human has hope of eternal life. Because He is God He has the power to live a sinless life and conquer death for humanity and because He was human we have the opportunity to share in His victory over sin and death.


Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching isempty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if thedead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19

Let me ask you a question. What does the word 'god' mean?

 

[Dogknox20]

Let me ask you a question. What does the word 'god' mean?

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YoursTrue Youi ask... What does the word 'god' mean?

I reply.. First answer my question.. Then I will answer yours!
Question... How do you feel about Charles Taze Russell teaching "Jesus failed to establish his Church"! Did not Jesus say; "I will build my Church on ROCK"!?
The founder of the JW's Charles Taze Russell teaches: NO Jesus built on Sand! I know this because he was a restorationist minister.

YoursTrue There's no NEED to restore something not lost! Clearly he felt Jesus somehow lied and did NOT establish his Church in ROCK; that he himself Charles Taze Russell must come to Jesus' rescue and build what Jesus failed to do!
YoursTrue You must agree Russel' teaching and belief is ridiculous, never mind that he felt God would have waited for him to be born and re-Establish the Church in the 1870s.... 1900 years after Jesus!? Whack-Oh to say the least!

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Jesus started with his Church built on ROCK (not on sand) He is still ALWAYS with his Church to this very day! This means; Jesus is NOT with yours!
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Definition of always
1: at all times : INVARIABLY always smiling
2: FOREVER will love you always
3: at any rate : in any event You can always try again if it doesn't work this time.
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[cataway]

What did John say immediately after seeing the Ark of the Covenant in heaven? “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child” (Rv 12:1-2). The woman is Mary, the Ark of the Covenant, revealed by God to John. She was seen bearing the child who would rule the world with a rod of iron (Rv 12:5). Mary was seen as the ark and as a queen.

umm no the woman .....is not Mary

 

[InChrist]

The question can be, why did Christ die if he was "God-in-the-flesh." It is important to understand that Adam was tempted and he succumbed to the temptation, the penalty was put before him. He was not promised or offered the possibility of a resurrection. It was because of this that humanity has been made subject to death and imperfection.
Jesus was tempted but he did not succumb to the temptation. He died without breaking his integrity to God, his Father in heaven. And he was brought back from the dead. Take care, InChrist.
Two scriptures I offer to show that Jesus was tempted by the Devil but did not give in to temptation, therefore maintained his innocence, and the second which shows that God cannot be tried, or put to the test, because He is God, that way.
Luke 4 - Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness 2 for 40 days, being tempted by the Devil.
James 1 - When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

When the scriptures say God cannot be tempted it seems obvious that the point is God is not tempted by evil. God is Holy, Righteous and Good and it is impossible for evil to entice or tempt God. From my perspective, that is a very good proof that Jesus is God... because He lived a sinless life while on earth and was not tempted by the devil, by evil, or the lusts of the flesh. Humans are tempted and sin. Jesus being God did not sin, because only God is sinless.


The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, weshall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 1 Corinthians 15:47-49

 

[InChrist]

InChrist hello.. Happy Easter...
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

The scriptures tell us > Mary is the Ark the covenant below is an excerpt from "Catholic Answers" using scripture they point out how Mary is significant in God' plan for us!

• Mary arose and went to the hill country of Judea. I have been to both Ein Kerem (where Elizabeth lived) and Abu Ghosh (where the ark resided), and they are only a short walk apart. Mary and the ark were both on a journey to the same hill country of Judea.
• When David saw the ark he rejoiced and said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” Elizabeth uses almost the same words: “Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” Luke is telling us something—drawing our minds back to the Old Testament, showing us a parallel.
• When David approached the ark he shouted out and danced and leapt in front of the ark. He was wearing an ephod, the clothing of a priest. When Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, approached Elizabeth, John the Baptist leapt in his mother’s womb—and John was from the priestly line of Aaron. Both leapt and danced in the presence of the ark. The Ark of the Old Covenant remained in the house of Obed-edom for three months, and Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth for three months. The place that housed the ark for three months was blessed, and in the short paragraph in Luke, Elizabeth uses the word blessed three times. Her home was certainly blessed by the presence of the ark and the Lord within.
• When the Old Testament ark arrived—as when Mary arrived—they were both greeted with shouts of joy. The word for the cry of Elizabeth’s greeting is a rare Greek word used in connection with Old Testament liturgical ceremonies that were centered around the ark and worship (cf. Word Biblical Commentary, 67). This word would flip on the light switch for any knowledgeable Jew.
• The ark returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God’s presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sm 6:12; 1 Kgs 8:9-11). Mary returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Lk 1:56; 2:21-22).

The Old Testament tells us that one item was placed inside the Ark of the Old Covenant while in the Sinai wilderness: God told Moses to put the stone tablets with the Ten Commandments inside the ark (Dt 10:3-5). Hebrews 9:4 informs us that two additional items were placed in the Ark: “a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded.” Notice the amazing parallels: In the ark was the law of God inscribed in stone; in Mary’s womb was the Word of God in flesh. In the ark was the urn of manna, the bread from heaven that kept God’s people alive in the wilderness; in Mary’s womb is the Bread of Life come down from heaven that brings eternal life. In the ark was the rod of Aaron, the proof of true priesthood; in Mary’s womb is the true priest. In the third century, St. Gregory the Wonder Worker said that Mary is truly an ark—”gold within and gold without, and she has received in her womb all the treasures of the sanctuary.”

While the apostle John was exiled on the island of Patmos, he wrote something that would have shocked any first-century Jew. The ark of the Old Covenant had been lost for centuries—no one had seen it for about 600 years. But in Revelation 11:19, John makes a surprising announcement: “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple.”

At this point chapter 11 ends and chapter 12 begins. But the Bible was not written with chapter divisions—they were added in the 12th century. When John penned these words, there was no division between chapters 11 and 12; it was a continuing narrative.

What did John say immediately after seeing the Ark of the Covenant in heaven? “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child” (Rv 12:1-2). The woman is Mary, the Ark of the Covenant, revealed by God to John. She was seen bearing the child who would rule the world with a rod of iron (Rv 12:5). Mary was seen as the ark and as a queen.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but I have never seen anywhere in the biblical scriptures that equate the Ark of the Covenant with Mary and I don’t consider “Catholic Answers” as a valid source or proof of any such connection.

 

[InChrist]

Let me ask you a question. What does the word 'god' mean?

Lower case “god” - could be anything; an idol, a made up god, a part of creation someone idolizes as Paul speaks of in Romans 1.

Upper case “God”- the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth.

 

[YoursTrue]

Lower case “god” - could be anything; an idol, a made up god, a part of creation someone idolizes as Paul speaks of in Romans 1.

Upper case “God”- the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth.

I appreciate your answer, InChrist. So now I must tell you, and you probably know this, if I remember correctly,there was no differentiation in upper and lower case letters in the early manuscripts. I am not an expert in this, but koine Greek and Hebrew did not differentiate. Although I can do some research on this when I have a bit more time.

 

[cataway]

Lower case “god” - could be anything; an idol, a made up god, a part of creation someone idolizes as Paul speaks of in Romans 1.

Upper case “God”- the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth.

which is why Jesus is a god not the God

 

[Dogknox20]

umm no the woman .....is not Mary

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1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

Okay who is the woman!?

You said.. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, but I have never seen anywhere in the biblical scriptures that equate the Ark of the Covenant with Mary and I don’t consider “Catholic Answers” as a valid source or proof of any such connection.
I reply.. Nothing to do with "Catholic Answers" it's about LOGIC!
John tells you "An Arc is seen in heaven" then he next tells you "the Arc is a Woman"!

NOTE.. *The Arc could not be touched by man.. A man was zapped dead when he touched it. Mary was a Virgin Untouched by man!
*The Arc carried the "Show Bread". Mary carried the "True Manna from heaven.. Jesus"!
*The Arc was carried for 40 years as they crossed the wilderness.. Mary carried God for 40 weeks!
*The Arc carried the Ten Commandments.. God wanted the ark to be as perfect and unblemished as humanly possible so it would be worthy of the honor of bearing the written Word of God. Mary would carry within her womb the Word of God in flesh.
*King David sees the ark being brought to him and, in his joy and awe, says “Who am I that the ark of the Lord should come to me?” (1 Sam. 6:9).
Compare this with Elizabeth’s nearly identical words in Luke 1:43.
*John the Baptist leapt for joy in Elizabeth’s womb when Mary, the ark of the new covenant, came into her presence (Luke 1:44). John’s leap was for precisely the same reason as David’s–not primarily because of the ark itself, but because of what the ark contained, the Word of God.
*David ordered the ark diverted up into the hill country of Judea to remain with the household of Obededom for three months. This parallels the three-month visit Mary made at Elizabeth’s home in the hill country of Judea (Luke 1:39-45, 65).

Here are a few more examples of biblical typology

• Peter uses Noah’s ark as a type of Christian baptism (1 Pt 3:18-22).
• Paul explains that circumcision foreshadowed Christian baptism (Col 2:11-12).
• Jesus uses the bronze serpent as a type of his Crucifixion (Jn 3:14; cf. Nm 21:8-9).
• The Passover lamb prefigures the sacrifice of Christ (1 Cor 5:7).
• Paul says that Abraham “considered that God was able to raise men even from the dead; hence, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back” (Heb 11:19).