Does this mean Jesus is God?

[InChrist]

which is why Jesus is a god not the God

So are you saying Jesus is simply a common idol or a false god? Because according to the Bible any other god than the One True God is nothing but a false, worthless god. I personally think that is a demeaning, slanderous thing to imply about Jesus Christ the Savior of the world.

 

[InChrist]

I appreciate your answer, InChrist. So now I must tell you, and you probably know this, if I remember correctly,there was no differentiation in upper and lower case letters in the early manuscripts. I am not an expert in this, but koine Greek and Hebrew did not differentiate. Although I can do some research on this when I have a bit more time.

I am not an expert either, but I believe you are correct that the early manuscripts did not differentiate between upper and lower case. Nevertheless, I do think the scriptures always made a distinction between the One True God and false gods. Any god other than the true Creator God is classified by the Bible as a false god.

 

[cataway]

So are you saying Jesus is simply a common idol or a false god? Because according to the Bible any other god than the One True God is nothing but a false, worthless god. I personally think that is a demeaning, slanderous thing to imply about Jesus Christ the Savior of the world.

who is Jesus ? john 12 :49
NASB Jesus said
"For I did not speak on My own, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak."

hardly a equal .clearly a subordinate member

 

[InChrist]

who is Jesus ? john 12 :49
NASB Jesus said
"For I did not speak on My own, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak."

hardly a equal .clearly a subordinate member

An employee may follow the directions of their boss, that does not mean they are not equal human beings.

First, Jesus purposefully humbled Himself when He became flesh/human. Secondly, the Son always honors His Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit each have their unique positions and roles; this does not diminish their equality or the reality that the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are all in agreement and work in harmonious unity.

 

[YoursTrue]

So are you saying Jesus is simply a common idol or a false god? Because according to the Bible any other god than the One True God is nothing but a false, worthless god. I personally think that is a demeaning, slanderous thing to imply about Jesus Christ the Savior of the world.

Exactly how is Jesus Christ the savior of the world? What is the world you speak and how is he the savior?

 

[YoursTrue]

An employee may follow the directions of their boss, that does not mean they are not equal human beings.

First, Jesus purposefully humbled Himself when He became flesh/human. Secondly, the Son always honors His Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit each have their unique positions and roles; this does not diminish their equality or the reality that the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are all in agreement and work in harmonious unity.

Oh boy oh boy. The Father sent him. A head of a company is superior in that sense. People may even say they must refer to their superior when questioned. Matthew 27:45 At noon, darkness fell across the whole land until three o’clock. 46 At about three o’clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”

 

[YoursTrue]

I am not an expert either, but I believe you are correct that the early manuscripts did not differentiate between upper and lower case. Nevertheless, I do think the scriptures always made a distinction between the One True God and false gods. Any god other than the true Creator God is classified by the Bible as a false god.

Jesus was interestingly born a Jew. Abraham received direction from God. There were gods of the nations, but only one true God. Jesus knew what this meant. John 17:3.

 

[InChrist]

Exactly how is Jesus Christ the savior of the world? What is the world you speak and how is he the savior?

Don’t you know how Jesus is the Savior? When I speak of the world, I mean as Paul says in the scriptures


This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:5

and Peter...
...who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
1 Peter 2:24-25

 

[InChrist]

Jesus was interestingly born a Jew. Abraham received direction from God. There were gods of the nations, but only one true God. Jesus knew what this meant. John 17:3.

No doubt, Jesus knows about false non-true gods.

 

[YoursTrue]

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Don’t you know how Jesus is the Savior? When I speak of the world, I mean as Paul says in the scriptures


This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:5

and Peter...
...who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
1 Peter 2:24-25

Here is the point. God equal to God didn't need to come encapsulated in the flesh in order to save the world.

 

[InChrist]

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Here is the point. God equal to God didn't need to come encapsulated in the flesh in order to save the world.

Who are you or I, finite creatures, to determine how the infinite Creator God should choose to save the world?

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 29:28

 

[YoursTrue]

Who are you or I, finite creatures, to determine how the infinite Creator God should choose to save the world?

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 29:28

Not all translations have it that way. (Acts 20:28)

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

 

[YoursTrue]

Who are you or I, finite creatures, to determine how the infinite Creator God should choose to save the world?

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 29:28

God encapsulated in the flesh doesn't make sense, no matter how many people say Jesus is God in the flesh equal to God not in the flesh. Sorry, I don't believe that Jesus is God equal to the other two godpersons who did not die to save the world.

 

[InChrist]

God encapsulated in the flesh doesn't make sense, no matter how many people say Jesus is God in the flesh equal to God not in the flesh. Sorry, I don't believe that Jesus is God equal to the other two godpersons who did not die to save the world.

That’s okay, we’ll have to just disagree on this subject then. From my perspective and what I see in the Bible there is only One who is capable of saving humanity from its fallen, sinful condition and that is God Himself. So if Jesus was not God we have no hope. Just my thoughts and view. Have a good night.

 

[YoursTrue]

Don’t you know how Jesus is the Savior? When I speak of the world, I mean as Paul says in the scriptures


This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:5

and Peter...
...who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
1 Peter 2:24-25

That’s okay, we’ll have to just disagree on this subject then. From my perspective and what I see in the Bible there is only One who is capable of saving humanity from its fallen, sinful condition and that is God Himself. So if Jesus was not God we have no hope. Just my thoughts and view. Have a good night.

I don't see that if Jesus is not God equal to his Father and the holy spirit which you consider all 3 are combined into one god there is no hope. Jesus is the Son of God. Because of him, and his Father, those who believe in him and his Father have hope. Have a good night.

 

[YoursTrue]

An employee may follow the directions of their boss, that does not mean they are not equal human beings.

First, Jesus purposefully humbled Himself when He became flesh/human. Secondly, the Son always honors His Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit each have their unique positions and roles; this does not diminish their equality or the reality that the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are all in agreement and work in harmonious unity.

To say that Jesus was God in the flesh, but equal to God not in the flesh is just not reasonable. Similarly, to say that a subordinate (employee) is equal to the employer who has power over him is also not reasonable. Here's an extension of that reasoning: if an employer hires a worker (employee), the employee does not have the power or authority to fire his employer. He can leave employment under the employer's direction, but he cannot fire the employer. The employer can fire him. Jesus was confident that the Father loved him, and that he loved the Father.

 

[InChrist]

To say that Jesus was God in the flesh, but equal to God not in the flesh is just not reasonable. Similarly, to say that a subordinate (employee) is equal to the employer who has power over him is also not reasonable. Here's an extension of that reasoning: if an employer hires a worker (employee), the employee does not have the power or authority to fire his employer. He can leave employment under the employer's direction, but he cannot fire the employer. The employer can fire him. Jesus was confident that the Father loved him, and that he loved the Father.

I am not saying the Father and Son do not have different roles or that they are not confident in the love they have for one another. Those who believe in the triune Godhead acknowledge the different positions and roles of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I am saying each are equal in God Nature-Essence, sharing the same God characteristics and qualities. God is the Source if love... because according to the scriptures, God is love. Not self love, but agape love for another. From eternity love had existed between the Persons of the Godhead.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am not saying the Father and Son do not have different roles or that they are not confident in the love they have for one another. Those who believe in the triune Godhead acknowledge the different positions and roles of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I am saying each are equal in God Nature-Essence, sharing the same God characteristics and qualities. God is the Source if love... because according to the scriptures, God is love. Not self love, but agape love for another. From eternity love had existed between the Persons of the Godhead.

It almost sounds like the arguments pro-evolution, InChrist. People have their reasons. Or ideas. Just as I am convinced that evolution is not a fact (I used to believe it was), and -- is virtually impossible to be considered as truth, I am reminded of Jesus' statement when he said he IS THE TRUTH. He also said that the (1) Father is greater than he is, (2) that he was GIVEN all power and authority, and (3) he is going to give back his authority and power after all things are in subjection to him. (Jesus) Now what a wonderful day that will be! I'm sure you would agree with that. "Our Father in heaven, let your kingdom come." (Not let our kingdom or my kingdom come...but let YOUR kingdom come.)
***Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him" ***
This does not mean that Jesus is God, and I might add one of the 3 persons of the trinity considered to be one god. It means that Jesus and his Father are one. In harmony. Jesus reflects the Father's principles and assignment and that no one can come to the Father except by means of Jesus. As we know, not all accepted Jesus as the Father's representative and the long-awaited Messiah.

 

[YoursTrue]

No doubt, Jesus knows about false non-true gods.

In order for someone to believe that Jesus on earth (or in heaven) was-is equal to the other 2 godpersons of the trinity, they would have to construe the idea that God-in-the-flesh has limitations. (That makes him not equal anyway.)

 

[InChrist]

In order for someone to believe that Jesus on earth (or in heaven) was-is equal to the other 2 godpersons of the trinity, they would have to construe the idea that God-in-the-flesh has limitations. (That makes him not equal anyway.)

I think I may have said it in a previous post somewhere, but the Son of God purposefully lowered and humbled Himself when He became flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ. In other words, He chose to put limitations upon Himself while living a human life. So how does that negate His equality with His Father? Especially, if it was a mutual decision and part of the plan and mission to offer salvation to mankind?