Does your religion accept homosexuality?

[Ashoka]

They tell the truth. Acting out any sexual act with another person outside of the marriage union considered sin, biblically.

Telling someone they are a disordered abomination is abusive and wrong. It leads to mental health problems down the road, such as depression, anxiety and PTSD. In some cases, suicide and self-harm.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Telling someone they are a disordered abomination is abusive and wrong. It leads to mental health problems down the road, such as depression, anxiety and PTSD. In some cases, suicide and self-harm.

No one is saying that having certain feelings is an abomination.

 

[Ashoka]

What's the difference in telling people who believe it's morally evil, that they are "bad" for believing that. It's the same. One judgment towards one or the other. Morals should be taught irrelevant how people feel about themselves regarding them.

The issue is we should find out the truth about this issue, and not morally bully people to believe it's okay for the sake of people who embrace homosexuality or bisexuality. We should put emotions aside - we may want it to be okay because of friends or family we may find out are that, but this is not determining factor.

Our wish to make it not evil, doesn't make it not evil or a disorder. We all have friends we respect that are bisexual or homosexual, it's not the right thing in my view, just to say, how can I say they are bad?

We can't achieve mental clarity, if we just deem all goodness simply by niceness of friends and want to not "judge" them.

I don't think we can put our emotions aside, or should. This is a serious issue, is it not? When people take their own lives over this and self-harm over this, we are the ones doing great harm to them. It goes far beyound "niceness": We owe it to the community to show them kindness and compassion, and so many young people are being indoctrinated into believing they are broken and evil. That is what's wrong. Getting emotional about things like this is natural; it's life or death.

I do at least appreciate that you are one not to judge them as much; you say you have friends who are LGBT. Ask them about their experiences. I promise they've all been head to head with bigots at least once who have wished evil on them in some form.

 

[Ashoka]

No one is saying that having certain feelings is an abomination.

Of course they do. Every day this happens. Maybe you personally don't but that doesn't take away from those who have had experiences like this.

TW: Mention of SA

Did you know that I, an asexual who has been through sexual assault, have been told things like "I'll fix that for you." Basically threatening to do what is called corrective rape. Did you know that LGBT individuals deal with this hate all the time? I was luckily not triggered and shrugged it off, but sadly I can't say the same about others. I bring this up not to garner sympathy, but as an example of how people in the LGBT community are treated on a daily basis.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The best form is one father and one mother and where they are sexually sufficient for each other. No open relationships or swinging. There's exceptions in Islam where you can marry more then one woman, but I would argue, per Quran, the justice that is required to your wife, is that it's not a selfish act and not saying she is not enough, but rather, it's to take care of orphans and other things like that, this is the context of marrying more then one wife in Quran. If you think in your heart you doing it out selfishness or that she is not sufficient for you, I Would say that is an injustice to her and should not be done in that case.

Also, I would say as both are "malakat aymanahim" and she has ownership as well by the contract of marriage, you require her permission.

Your "best form" is not universal, though, and is based on only one tradition and religious beliefs. Why should someone not Islamic accept it?

 

[Link]

They are broken and evil for rebelling and acting innocent and dragging us all to their immoral sexual deviations trying to make us accept their deviations or else we are labeled as haters or oppressors.

But again, my standards for evil, is all those who don't submit to God's guidance are evil.

 

[Link]

Your "best form" is not universal, though, and is based on only one tradition and religious beliefs. Why should someone not Islamic accept it?

I don't know. Since people who don't accept Islam follow human appointed leaders or trust their own appointed Jinn gods per their desires with no proof from God rather then God's guidance and leaders who provide the proper moral insights so they don't really have anything outside their desires for mental clarity.

 

[Ashoka]

They are broken and evil for rebelling and acting innocent and dragging us all to their immoral sexual deviations trying to make us accept their deviations or else we are labeled as haters or oppressors.

No. No one is broken and evil just because a book tells you. I'm sorry, but it's wrong, and like I said earlier, words have power and matter. Those words can lead someone to harm themselves, and the person saying those words is 100% responsible.

 

[Link]

No. No one is broken and evil just because a book tells you. I'm sorry, but it's wrong, and like I said earlier, words have power and matter. Those words can lead someone to harm themselves, and the person saying those words is 100% responsible.

If I commit suicide because of anti-Islam people saying Islam is hateful, are all people who deem Islam as judgmental and hateful responsible?

Sorry, get some thick skin. Homo and Bi people don't get a free pass where everyone is judged but them.

 

[Wildswanderer]

when found out ,you kick them out of the church ?

I'm not Catholic. So I would not know.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course they do. Every day this happens. Maybe you personally don't but that doesn't take away from those who have had experiences like this.

TW: Mention of SA

Did you know that I, an asexual who has been through sexual assault, have been told things like "I'll fix that for you." Basically threatening to do what is called corrective rape. Did you know that LGBT individuals deal with this hate all the time? I was luckily not triggered and shrugged it off, but sadly I can't say the same about others. I bring this up not to garner sympathy, but as an example of how people in the LGBT community are treated on a daily basis.

Hey I'm a white evangelical male. I get hated by almost everyone. Not only that but I own guns and kill stuff, so that makes more people hate me. You just gotta have thick skin.

 

[Ashoka]

If I commit suicide because of anti-Islam people saying Islam is hateful, are all people who deem Islam as judgmental and hateful responsible?

Sorry, get some thick skin. Homo and Bi people don't get a free pass where everyone is judged but them.

Yes. If the Catholic Church holds that gay people are "disordered" and "abominations" and someone ends their life as a result, those in the church who hold such beliefs are, at least in some ways, culpable because they passively support the very thing that took the life of that individual.

Thick skin? I hear people say this to me a lot. As if compassion is not a virtue. I'd rather show kindness and compassion for others, and if that makes me thin-skinned, then...oh well.

 

[Link]

Yes. If the Catholic Church holds that gay people are "disordered" and "abominations" and someone ends their life as a result, those in the church who hold such beliefs are, at least in some ways, culpable because they passively support the very thing that took the life of that individual.

Thick skin? I hear people say this to me a lot. As if compassion is not a virtue. I'd rather show kindness and compassion for others, and if that makes me thin-skinned, then...oh well.

Seems like you are judging people for judging then.

 

[Ashoka]

Hey I'm a white evangelical male. I get hated by almost everyone. Not only that but I own guns and kill stuff, so that makes more people hate me. You just gotta have thick skin.

LOL again with the thick skin. People seem to pull this when confronted with their own hard-heartedness. There is nothing wrong with showing compassion.

And statistically, no. You are not hated. In fact, you are priveliged and less likely to be subject to laws that strip away your rights. You're protected. If people hate you, it's because you support legislation that harms people such as myself.

 

[Ashoka]

Seems like you are judging people for judging then.

Yep. Because judging, in and of itself, is not a bad thing, especially if what I am judging is causing harm to other people.

 

[Link]

To me, God's light and guidance has to be preferred and everyone has to strive for that. A society that succumbs to Iblis and his dark magic, and I witness it and have a right to believe and speak about it, will bring much evil to the world. Bisexuality and homosexuality is done only when people are intoxicated in Iblis' control and his dark magic.

There is no beauty or purpose in bisexuality or homosexuality, it's foreign, and you have to be twisted in the mind to accept it as beautiful and not ugly.

However, my standards are high in this regard, that people who don't see position of Ali (a) in Quran due to dark magic on their hearts, are heading to hell as well.

To me, we have to connect to those who are God's light and even recognize the light's humans names and forms among us. A person who succumbs to low desires, won't find their way to God nor be help for truth nor for justice.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Try explaining that to the rest of the population. I'm sure you'll be met with hostility. Good luck anyway. ;=)

People are really not very concerned at least in the cities. Villages are a different story. People may not like it, but it is the law, and if asked, Courts provide police protection.

 

[Polymath257]

That's how you phrase it. But to not diversify would be a problem by the principle. So diversify in Jobs would the right thing. While if everyone diversifies in sexual acts, then bisexuality might become the norm since it sex with either sex is deemed moral and acceptable. If it is morally acceptable, and both are not ugly but beautiful acts, then most of society might opt in on it. The problems that occur are obvious to me in this case. The sacred family structure is threatened by that.

Usually the case of Kant's categorical imperative, it deals with almost binary things. It is good to steal: yes or no. Is it good to to lie: yes or no. Now these can have exceptions in which they find a situation where it's appropriate.

So when it comes to sex with same sex, it's yes or no thing. This is not the same with jobs comparison. It's good to get a job yes. It is good for all society to have same job and not diversify? No.

is it good to have sex? Yes.

Is it good for some people to have sex with the same gender? Yes.

Is it good for some people to be open to either gender? Yes.

is it good for society for everyone to be heterosexual? I don't think so.

I don't think 'most of society' would opt to be either bisexual or homosexual. People would simply be as they are: some het, some bi, and some hom.

Variety, I think, is good.

 

[Polymath257]

The best form is one father and one mother and where they are sexually sufficient for each other. No open relationships or swinging.

Can you give evidence that this is the best? I'd guess that having several loving adults in a household would be optimal for child rearing. So that would imply a structure that is poly-fidelitous. Se veral mothers and several fathers seems to be much better than only one of each.

There's exceptions in Islam where you can marry more then one woman, but I would argue, per Quran, the justice that is required to your wife, is that it's not a selfish act and not saying she is not enough, but rather, it's to take care of orphans and other things like that, this is the context of marrying more then one wife in Quran. If you think in your heart you doing it out selfishness or that she is not sufficient for you, I Would say that is an injustice to her and should not be done in that case.

Also, I would say as both are "malakat aymanahim" and she has ownership as well by the contract of marriage, you require her permission.

And I would say that allowing a woman to marry more than should also be allowed. With, of course, the same restrictions: do it out of love and compassion, not out of fear or criticism.

 

[Polymath257]

If I commit suicide because of anti-Islam people saying Islam is hateful, are all people who deem Islam as judgmental and hateful responsible?

Sorry, get some thick skin. Homo and Bi people don't get a free pass where everyone is judged.

Except that it is usually everyone else judging them for something that is trivial and not their business.

I agree, people need to get a thicker skin. But that applies to everyone. If someone gets bent out of shape because Mohammad is shown in a picture, they simply need to grow a thicker skin, in my opinion.

But it is quite different when, in many places, people who are gay or bi are put on trial and condemned to death.