Dog Eating

[Secret Chief]

Cool.

You seemed to single out dog eating though.

It just followed on from another thread. Start a thread on Britain and fox hunting and see what I think.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I do. And an extra level of condemnation for cruel practices and poor conditions.

For the record, I love meat. I have no moral issues with eating meat.
But that doesn't mean I have no moral issues with bad conditions and cruel practices.

My post concerned only the practice of eating meat.

For me, it's kind of a given that animals, while alive, should be treated well and living conditions should be up to standards. Regardless of what the purposed fate of the animals may be.

A cow meant for meat consumption shouldn't be treated differently then a cow meant for milk production or meant to be held as a pet imo.

I'm big on animal rights and consider it very important.
The slaughtering of an animal should also follow strict procedures imo to avoid any unnecessary suffering. Preferably no suffering at all.

And if for example, with all the climate change and all, cattle population should be heavily reduced leading to beef price going through the roof or even disappearing from the menu, then so be it.

Those are all sensible rational reasons.

I just will not put aside my meat dish just to accommodate for other people's emotional sensitivies.
I will respect their emotional sensitivities and / or their right to their opinions. As such, if I would own a standard restaurant for example, I would absolutely make sure to also offer vegetarian/vegan dishes. ("standard" as in if the concept of the place isn't like "bbq meat fiesta" or "vegan only" - but then you know that coming in).

But I expect the same from them.
I get to disagree with their opinions and have my own opinion also.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the record, I love meat. I have no moral issues with eating meat.
But that doesn't mean I have no moral issues with bad conditions and cruel practices.

My post concerned only the practice of eating meat.

For me, it's kind of a given that animals, while alive, should be treated well and living conditions should be up to standards. Regardless of what the purposed fate of the animals may be.

A cow meant for meat consumption shouldn't be treated differently then a cow meant for milk production or meant to be held as a pet imo.

I'm big on animal rights and consider it very important.
The slaughtering of an animal should also follow strict procedures imo to avoid any unnecessary suffering. Preferably no suffering at all.

And if for example, with all the climate change and all, cattle population should be heavily reduced leading to beef price going through the roof or even disappearing from the menu, then so be it.

Those are all sensible rational reasons.

I just will not put aside my meat dish just to accommodate for other people's emotional sensitivies.
I will respect their emotional sensitivities and / or their right to their opinions. As such, if I would own a standard restaurant for example, I would absolutely make sure to also offer vegetarian/vegan dishes. ("standard" as in if the concept of the place isn't like "bbq meat fiesta" or "vegan only" - but then you know that coming in).

But I expect the same from them.
I get to disagree with their opinions and have my own opinion also.

It can be very difficult for a restaurant to offer both vegan and regular food. And for the same reasons that you rarely see kosher and nonkosher meals from the same restaurant. Vegans tend to be purists.. A vegan meal cooked on the same grill as a hamburger is going to pick up traces of animal products. Even using the same spatulas may be too much for them.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The bride's DNA is totally different from that of her people. But that is OK, it happens.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It can be very difficult for a restaurant to offer both vegan and regular food. And for the same reasons that you rarely see kosher and nonkosher meals from the same restaurant. Vegans tend to be purists.. A vegan meal cooked on the same grill as a hamburger is going to pick up traces of animal products. Even using the same spatulas may be too much for them.

They can always get raw vegetables and a piece of bread.






EDIT: I suddenly get a flashback to an episode of That 70's show. Red Forman has a heart attack and had to go on a diet and couldn't eat all kinds of fats and meats anymore. So come dinner time, Kitty served the food and it was a plate with primarily raw vegetables. Then came Red Forman's epic line:
"This isn't food!!! This is what food eats!!"

 

[Secret Chief]

It's an emotional statement. And it's perfectly fine off course to be off that opinion.
But I don't think it's fair to condemn other cultures for not complying to your emotional standards.

I'm not condemning any one particular culture. My condemnation is not discriminatory!

Note, though, that I'm talking specifically about culturally inspired / emotional standards.
I feel like it would be an entirely different thing if the objection would be more objective, like for example if people were happily eating endangered species. That would be an argument where you can make an objective rational case as opposed to a mere emotional or cultural one.

OK so here's my attempt at an objective rational case! Humans are rapidly turning the planet into a giant cow/pig/chicken farm (there's a link* somewhere around here posted about the biomass of the planet). This is being achieved by taking the habitat of any and all other species. This is a driver of the sixth great extinction. So basically, a major reason species are becoming or have become extinct is through loss of habitat. So yes the cow you're eating isn't in danger of extinction, but 8 billion people doing similar is a major reason why we are making other species extinct.

*edit found it....posted by @Subduction Zone

"Humans account for about 36 percent of the biomass of all mammals. Domesticated livestock, mostly cows and pigs, account for 60 percent, and wild mammals for only 4 percent.
Compared to the time before the human-abetted extinction of large megafauna, wild earth mammal biomass has decreased sevenfold."

- D551ECB5-B8BA-4EE4-9C0A-8209F17AD37E

 

[syo]

We don't eat carnivores.

 

[Secret Chief]

It can be very difficult for a restaurant to offer both vegan and regular food. And for the same reasons that you rarely see kosher and nonkosher meals from the same restaurant. Vegans tend to be purists.. A vegan meal cooked on the same grill as a hamburger is going to pick up traces of animal products. Even using the same spatulas may be too much for them.

In the UK, public eateries have by and large long since offered vegetarian options. Vegan is still not always great but it's definitely improving. Quite often there is a "vegan menu" to peruse. This was virtually never the case historically for vegetarian options.


As to your latter point, there's obviously an issue of trust regarding what's happening in the kitchens but I would think it's in the establishment's best interests to be sincere cos bad publicity wouldn't be good for business.

Also, if you order a coffee, I guess you wouldn't be expecting or wanting there to be any tea in it.