Dog Eating

[lewisnotmiller]

Like pigs? I had no idea. Why then do we feed them meat all the time?

My relatives were pretty successful greyhound trainers, and I was stunned by how much 'non-meat' they fed their finely tuned racing dogs.

LOTS of vegetables, some rice, etc...and yes, some meat. But definitely less meat than many would assume.

 

[Secret Chief]

See. You have a pony in the race. I don't. A vegan can get away with it. I could advocate for better treatment. It would be best, for me(again), to do so universally.

We all weigh up what we find acceptable to eat. Attitudes only change with awareness of the facts about "industry" conditions.

 

[Secret Chief]

This late in my life I do not think that I could switch.

Baby steps.

I never thought I'd go vegan till a year or two ago and I'm 62. Admittedly it was from lacto-vegetarian but it has still been quite a shift in diet.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've read that they believe the suffering enhances the flavor. If true, that's a rather sick and sadistic culture.

It's a practice that I despise as it lack the proper empathy in terms of the animals suffering.

China clearly has very distinct lines when it comes to animals and humans when it comes down to empathy.

I suppose of this was something going on for centuries , and is essentially a normalized way of preparing their food so the Chinese might actually have a difficult time understanding the outrage this heinous practice creates from outsiders as empathy is very limited in scope with humans and animals.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ok. I'm not an eater of any meat but I genuinely don't think causing dogs to suffer is worse than the factory farming here, there and everywhere.

Why would you say it is fair to boycott Vietnam, for example, when the UK or Australia, say, have massive cruelty industries?

I despise cruelty even with food animals. Raise them humanely and kill them quickly when it's time ought to be standard practice.

Better still, abandon that practice and embrace the future like turning to cultured meat and the like.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Baby steps.

I never thought I'd go vegan till a year or two ago and I'm 62. Admittedly it was from lacto-vegetarian but it has still been quite a shift in diet.

Okay. First thing tomorrow. No more whale meat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Almost all western countries (there may be exceptions) have laws on butchering animals that are designed to minimize pain. In Europe some countries have even banned halal and kosher butchery because though at one time their methods were the most humane we have technology available now that surpasses theirs. They refuse to follow those laws, even though it would only take a minor change in the way that they butcher animals. They are too literalistic when it comes to butchery. You would think that they would follow the spirit of their laws. They in effect violate their own laws since they are supposed to use the most humane methods possible. But they put more importance into ritual.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Almost all western countries (there may be exceptions) have laws on butchering animals that are designed to minimize pain. In Europe some countries have even banned halal and kosher butchery because though at one time their methods were the most humane we have technology available now that surpasses theirs. They refuse to follow those laws, even though it would only take a minor change in the way that they butcher animals. They are too literalistic when it comes to butchery. You would think that they would follow the spirit of their laws. They in effect violate their own laws since they are supposed to use the most humane methods possible. But they put more importance into ritual.

I know in the states there are distinct regulatory techniques like properly bolting animals before slaughtering begins.

I think the animals pain should take precedence over any religious ritual or technique.

 

[Secret Chief]

Okay. First thing tomorrow. No more whale meat.

They'll thank you for it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Cattle lead a reasonanly decent life.
Not so for hogs and chickens.

That depends. If you are concerned you can always raise your own or only buy from farms you approve of. Pigs in a pen aren't necessarily mistreated, IMO. Pigs are pretty easily content with food and shelter. Same with chickens that can move around in a building.

 

[Koldo]

Indeed. I enjoy eating rabbit very much. These days, for climate change reasons I try to eat little beef and lamb and instead eat more of less CO2-intensive sources of meat (pork, poultry and rabbit). My rabbit, tarragon and mustard stew is a great favourite.

Eating a meat-eating animal would seem about the worst possible thing to do from a cCO2 viewpoint, seeing as the conversion efficiency to meat involved in raising any food animal is not very high. There is also a bit of taboo, probably to do with the risk of parasites in something that itself eats meat.

Curiously, on the other hand, hunting obligate carnivores is easily THE ethical way to consume meat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Curiously, on the other hand, hunting obligate carnivores is easily THE ethical way to consume meat.

Don't say that around @Wu Wei

 

[exchemist]

Curiously, on the other hand, hunting obligate carnivores is easily THE ethical way to consume meat.

Why is that?

 

[Koldo]

Why is that?

If it is alright to be done by you, it is alright to be done to you.

 

[Koldo]

Don't say that around @Wu Wei

He is actually a panda. Don't worry!

 

[Secret Chief]

Why (if people can kill other animals for food)?
Dog meat is considered a delicacy in Arunachal Pradesh (a state in Eastern India bordering China).

Why? The appalling conditions and treatment that seem common.

 

[Secret Chief]

Ok. I'm not an eater of any meat but I genuinely don't think causing dogs to suffer is worse than the factory farming here, there and everywhere.

Why would you say it is fair to boycott Vietnam, for example, when the UK or Australia, say, have massive cruelty industries?

I accept it's a spectrum, it just seems to me the attitude in some countries leads to even worse cruelty. At least UK farms, for instance, are monitored (supposedly), have regulations as to conditions and have veterinary input.

 

[Secret Chief]

Is this where I protest that your rules would prevent me from eating potatoes?

(Boom Tish)

Well they do have eyes.

 

[Secret Chief]

Dogs are carnivores like all canids. They can "get by" on a diet without meat in it, maybe, but it's not the best for them or what they should be eating.

Ok. That's what dog owners have told me. Some only give them meat occasionally.

 

[Audie]

That depends. If you are concerned you can always raise your own or only buy from farms you approve of. Pigs in a pen aren't necessarily mistreated, IMO. Pigs are pretty easily content with food and shelter. Same with chickens that can move around in a building.

As if that's not as obvious as it is rare and
impractical