Donald and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Interview

[Twilight Hue]

Why do you say that?

If you think the border was disastrous before , wait and see if she becomes president to see how much worse it gets. Also I don't think she's capable of handling International affairs, but truth be told we'll see in the future if that assessment is true or not.

 

[Spice]

That is one of the reasons why she's not fit for office because of her obsession with her race, for which she uses it like a chameleon to her benefit and advantage or at at least thinks it's to her advantage.

Can you site where Asian children were bused for school equality? Kamala Harris was bused as a black child.

 

[SkepticThinker]

She is absolutely fit for office. She's not obsessed with her race, racists are obsessed with her race - in particular, they're critical of how she perceives herself. Who has the right to tell her how she should perceive herself? Those who see themselves as better than she only imagine they have the right.

Right! I mean, look at all these people on these threads .. .She's Indian! Oh, now she's black! She changed her race! She's a race chameleon! DEI hire! Her parents were this and that .. blah, blah."

Then turn around and accuse her of making this all about race. It's absurd.

 

[Copernicus]

I believe that the only really accurate way to assess Kamala Harris's racial background is to do a complete DNA workup to see the exact amount of it that each ancestor has contributed in the past. Then we can assess the full extent to which she is really a "race chameleon" as Twilight Hue has claimed, and this important election year issue can be objectively presented to the public, which has a right to know. Meanwhile, I'm quite certain that Donald Trump is 100% racially pure. You can tell that by just looking at him, but you have to imagine him without the orange makeup.

Seriously? Sounds like something we might expect from the eugenics movement and the subsequent Third Reich.

Get this, people: neither white boys nor science get to determine whether or not Harris or any other black women is black enough.

No, you have been Poe'd. Read it again, tho a smilie might have been nice

Yeah, my bad, because I've been called on this before. Only a few people read my post carefully enough to get my intent. I thought that the final sentence would be enough to clue people in that I was being intentionally facetious in response to a remark by Kathryn about Kamala Harris being only 1/4 black. In social media Poe's Law states that

"...without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views."​

I was surprised that Jay got caught up in the wrong impression, but, as you say, "a smilie might have been nice". Or <sarcasm> tags. I'll try to be more careful in the future.

Why would anyone want/need a DNA test when it doesn't matter?

The qualifications for being president doesn't include a DNA test, sex or race.

The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:
-Be a natural-born citizen of the United States.
-Be at least 35 years old.
-Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.

Right. Poe's Law strikes you, too. Obviously, none of this racial nonsense should matter to any of us for even an eyeblink of a moment, but race has been historically important in the US. It still matters in elections, because a person's racial background still confuses a lot of voters who ought to know better. Trump uses that confusion to attack his opponent because of her mixed race background, thinking that racial purity is what concerns black voters in the same way that it concerns him. That kind of attack probably lost more votes for him simply because so many African Americans are of mixed race ancestry. Kamala Harris's mother knew exactly how her daughters were going to be perceived by the public at large, so she made sure that they learned to live with that perception as they matured. They were going to have to suffer from the stigma of not looking white in a population where color prejudice was endemic.

 

[anna.]

Right! I mean, look at all these people on these threads .. .She's Indian! Oh, now she's black! She changed her race! She's a race chameleon! DEI hire! Her parents were this and that .. blah, blah."

Then turn around and accuse her of making this all about race. It's absurd.

It's telling, that's for sure. This is where racist whites try to keep people of color in their place. Can't let them be too uppity, ya know. Trump starting out that interview by calling the woman "nasty" was the biggest dog whistle to racists, and he knew it.

 

[Spice]

I believe that the only really accurate way to assess Kamala Harris's racial background is to do a complete DNA workup to see the exact amount of it that each ancestor has contributed in the past. Then we can assess the full extent to which she is really a "race chameleon" as Twilight Hue has claimed, and this important election year issue can be objectively presented to the public, which has a right to know. Meanwhile, I'm quite certain that Donald Trump is 100% racially pure. You can tell that by just looking at him, but you have to imagine him without the orange makeup.

But I mean, 100 %? Sure, Trump always carried himself as a white man, at least in the media. For years and years he's been white. And then all of a sudden he seems to be emphasizing the orange raccoon part of his heritage. What gives?

 

[metis]

That is one of the reasons why she's not fit for office because of her obsession with her race, for which she uses it like a chameleon to her benefit and advantage or at at least thinks it's to her advantage.

Or maybe it's you who has an obsession with her "race"?

I don't care if she's black, white, or pink with purple polka dots.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Nope. She is typical as any other person with a silver spoon born in her mouth and the attitude to match.

Nasty for the sake of being nasty? You probably don't remember this, but you don't get a say in the circumstances of your birth -- really, I'm sorry about that, but there it is.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

People actually think he's rag to riches. They think that loan he took from his dad woukd be no different than if you or I took out a business loan like that.

Trump got a big loan, yes. But according to a New York Times report in 2018, Trump received at least $413 million (in 2018 prices) from his father's business empire. Drawing upon more than 100,000 pages of tax returns and financial records from Fred Trump's businesses and interviews with former advisers and employees, the Times found 295 distinct streams of revenue that Fred Trump created over five decades in order to channel his wealth to his son. That is the very definition of a spoon, not of silver, but of pure gold.

The fact that he turned that into 6 bankruptcies and couldn't keep casinos (that practically print money for owners) open speak greatly to his talent for creating riches.

 

[sayak83]

Nope. She is typical as any other person with a silver spoon born in her mouth and the attitude to match.

I am sad for you.

 

[Alien826]

Trump got a big loan, yes. But according to a New York Times report in 2018, Trump received at least $413 million (in 2018 prices) from his father's business empire. Drawing upon more than 100,000 pages of tax returns and financial records from Fred Trump's businesses and interviews with former advisers and employees, the Times found 295 distinct streams of revenue that Fred Trump created over five decades in order to channel his wealth to his son. That is the very definition of a spoon, not of silver, but of pure gold.

The fact that he turned that into 6 bankruptcies and couldn't keep casinos (that practically print money for owners) open speak greatly to his talent for creating riches.

I read something recently that suggested it was the TV show The Apprentice that gave everyone (OK lots of us) the impression that he was a successful business man. I certainly got that impression at a time when I knew very little about him.

Correct? Sounds feasible.

 

[fantome profane]

Speaking of biology...

Genetically, a person actually carries more of their mother's genes than their father's. We inherit more genes from our maternal side.

This is interesting. But this issue is not about "biology". It is about "how it goes down in the streets".

Seriously, forgive me for saying it like that, but it gets the point across. Kamala lived the life of a dark skinned person in the United States. No one went up to her with a "ethno-meter" to determine how black she was before she got bussed as a child. This was because she lived in predominately black neighbourhood growing up. She went to a black college, joined a black sorority etc.

Whatever little details we might glean about her DNA are not relevant to her qualifications for President, and nor do they change the experiences she has had in her life.

 

[Spice]

I read something recently that suggested it was the TV show The Apprentice that gave everyone (OK lots of us) the impression that he was a successful business man. I certainly got that impression at a time when I knew very little about him.

Correct? Sounds feasible.

I think that's the first impression many, if not most, have of him. But some of us remember him from way back, and still gave his show a chance. One season was enough for me. He wasn't fair there, either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The fact that he turned that into 6 bankruptcies and couldn't keep casinos (that practically print money for owners) open speak greatly to his talent for creating riches.

Ya, you pretty much have to be very bad at making decisions to bankrupt a casino. I've studied them in probalities and statistics, I've studied them out of curiosity, I've studied the games as a gambler. Even in poker where you aren't playing agaisnt the house, the house always wins (the infamous and nefarious rake in poker). You just need people playing. That's it. You have people playing amd don't overstretch your budget with the overhead and you're set. Even many of the games are designed to do a lot of the advertising and luring people in for you (like slot machines, aka the One Armed Bandit).
Trump managed to bankruot one of these establishments. How can he possibly be good at business?

 

[We Never Know]

I read something recently that suggested it was the TV show The Apprentice that gave everyone (OK lots of us) the impression that he was a successful business man. I certainly got that impression at a time when I knew very little about him.

Correct? Sounds feasible.

That and his appearances in the WWF/WWE are what made him popular.
I never watched his show The Apprentice.

 

[metis]

That and his appearances in the WWF/WWE are what made him popular.
I never watched his show The Apprentice.

He also appeared in a porn movie but was fully dressed.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Something interesting just turned up about this NABJ interview.

When presumptive Trump participated he was being live fact-checked by Politico. But according to Axios, that fact-check is something that Trump initially resisted. NABJ President Ken Lemon told Axios, "(Trump's team) said, 'Well, can you not fact check? He's not going to take the stage if you fact-check.'"

Axios reporters Delano Massey, Sophia Cai and Russell Contreras note that the discussion was delayed for more than an hour — a delay that Trump initially blamed on audio problems.

Lemon, however, told Axios, "There were audio problems, but they were resolved very quickly. The bigger problem was his threat not to take the stage when he had agreed to go on. He did not want to be fact-checked, but we could not let him on the stage without fact-checking…. I was prepared to go on stage to craft a statement, saying he decided not to go on stage because of fact-checking.... We couldn't compromise on that."

Trump did, however, go on stage and talked to a panel of Black journalists that included ABC News' Rachel Scott (the moderator), Semafor's Kadia Goba and Fox News' Harris Faulkner.

Oh, and by the way, I read the fact checks while the interview was going on, and he did lie, quite a lot in only 34 minutes.

 

[Kathryn]

She is absolutely fit for office. She's not obsessed with her race, racists are obsessed with her race - in particular, they're critical of how she perceives herself. Who has the right to tell her how she should perceive herself? Those who see themselves as better than she only imagine they have the right.

I know it would tick me off if my biracial kids left my family completely out of the picture. Thankfully they don't typically.

 

[Kathryn]

Or maybe it's you who has an obsession with her "race"?

I don't care if she's black, white, or pink with purple polka dots.

You may not care, but apparently SOMEONE does because I just got a notification on my phone from MSN saying, before any of her other qualifications, that if Harris wins the general election in November, she will be the first woman, black woman, and south Asian woman to win, and that she's already the first woman, black person, and Asian person to be the vice president.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Something interesting just turned up about this NABJ interview.

When presumptive Trump participated he was being live fact-checked by Politico. But according to Axios, that fact-check is something that Trump initially resisted. NABJ President Ken Lemon told Axios, "(Trump's team) said, 'Well, can you not fact check? He's not going to take the stage if you fact-check.'"

Axios reporters Delano Massey, Sophia Cai and Russell Contreras note that the discussion was delayed for more than an hour — a delay that Trump initially blamed on audio problems.

Lemon, however, told Axios, "There were audio problems, but they were resolved very quickly. The bigger problem was his threat not to take the stage when he had agreed to go on. He did not want to be fact-checked, but we could not let him on the stage without fact-checking…. I was prepared to go on stage to craft a statement, saying he decided not to go on stage because of fact-checking.... We couldn't compromise on that."

Trump did, however, go on stage and talked to a panel of Black journalists that included ABC News' Rachel Scott (the moderator), Semafor's Kadia Goba and Fox News' Harris Faulkner.

Oh, and by the way, I read the fact checks while the interview was going on, and he did lie, quite a lot in only 34 minutes.

Trump lied!?!? Shocking.

Live: Donald Trump fact-checks from 2024 NABJ convention

PolitiFact fact-checked former President Donald Trump's July 31 appearance at the National Association of Black Journali

www.politifact.com