Donald Trump is digging his own grave

[Subduction Zone]

No error. You are a lier, period. If you want to learn and debate, great, if not, then your a bad man.

And two of your sentence structures had error now. If you want to make excuses, i can easily do the same thing about mispelling hominem as hominum.

My "excuse" is i spell it as i pronounce it. Furthermore, the english language evolved, it did not come with a bunch of set rules and structures. The rules came later.

I would suggest an edit. Even though you deny it I demonstrated that you are wrong. Remember it is against the rules to name call here.

And my errors are occasional. You will see more of them when I use my tablet. It has a virtual keyboard, and as I said, it does sometimes change a word for no good reason. Your errors are common. And ad hominem is Latin, not English and is pronounced just as it is spelled.

(By the way, my tablet just changed "ad hominem" to " as hominem " twice now. I caught it this time)

 

[Jollybear]

I would suggest an edit. Even though you deny it I demonstrated that you are wrong. Remember it is against the rules to name call here.

And my errors are occasional. You will see more of them when I use my tablet. It has a virtual keyboard, and as I said, it does sometimes change a word for no good reason. Your errors are common. And ad hominem is Latin, not English and is pronounced just as it is spelled.

(By the way, my tablet just changed "ad hominem" to " as hominem " twice now. I caught it this time)

Calling you a bad man is name calling huh? No, its not, not in my book. Its a discription of your charector.

And yes, you keep lying about having committed ad hominems.

And i dont care if hominem is latin and not english. Many words in english wer adopted from other languages. That would then make them a part of the english language. But, who gives a dam. You like to argue over the littlest BS and not argue the main stuff that matters most.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Calling you a bad man is name calling huh? No, its not, not in my book. Its a discription of your charector.

And yes, you keep lying about having committed ad hominems.

And i dont care if hominem is latin and not english. Many words in english wer adopted from other languages. That would then make them a part of the english language. But, who gives a dam. You like to argue over the littlest BS and not argue the main stuff that matters most.

I am demonstrably a much better person than you. So think what you are saying about yourself.

 

[Jollybear]

If you actually do research instead of quoting out of context,

Actually, quoting things is a part of pointing out certain facts. And i did not quote out of context, i quoted the full relavent section that illucidated my point that answered your question.

you would understand that it wasn’t the former administration that was corrupt it was individuals within Ukraine that was corrupt.

Thats basically how every country is. But, some countries are more corrupt then others. And ukraine had a more corrupt government and the present president of ukraine was saying that in the quote.

Like I said you made up Donald trump acknowledging corruption in the former administration.

No......i did not make it up. Your a denier.

So I’ll asked again, why would trump give 200 million to the former president whom he didn’t trust according to you?

Ill answer the same again. It was given with conditions attached.

 

[Jollybear]

I am demonstrably a much better person than you. So think what you are saying about yourself.

You can believe that nonsense all you want to. You will regardless of the facts.

 

[Prometheus85]

Actually, quoting things is a part of pointing out certain facts. And i did not quote out of context, i quoted the full relavent section that illucidated my point that answered your question

Thats basically how every country is. But, some countries are more corrupt then others. And ukraine had a more corrupt government and the present president of ukraine was saying that in the quote.



No......i did not make it up. Your a denier.



Ill answer the same again. It was given with conditions attached.

you did make that up. Because the former administration wasn’t corrupt it was actually fighting corruption within Ukraine. You didn’t point out any facts. You made two false statements and then quoted the president of Ukraine out of context.

also you keep saying trump gave the former Ukrainian President money under conditions ( after you falsely said trump didn’t trust the former president) but those conditions had nothing to do with corruption. It’s release was contingent on Ukraine passing a series of defense reforms to help bring the country's defense practices into line with modern standards and practices.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can believe that nonsense all you want to. You will regardless of the facts.

No, as usual I can support my claims. For example, I have not had to name call in this little deflection of yours.

 

[Jollybear]

you did make that up. Because the former administration wasn’t corrupt it was actually fighting corruption within Ukraine. You didn’t point out any facts. You made two false statements and then quoted the president of Ukraine out of context.

Ok, if i quoted out of context, then point out in the transcript where trump or zelinski says they did not believe the ukraine government was corrupt. Go ahead.

also you keep saying trump gave the former Ukrainian President money under conditions ( after you falsely said trump didn’t trust the former president) but those conditions had nothing to do with corruption. It’s release was contingent on Ukraine passing a series of defense reforms to help bring the country's defense practices into line with modern standards and practices.

And the conditions wer also on combating corruption. From the CNN article you gave.

"The Trump administration decided that Ukraine's passage of a new national security law, signed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on July 5, met the requirements enshrined in the US legislation, thereby allowing the Pentagon to release the funds."

And another article related to ukraine. Ukrainian president: Trump didn’t use US military aid as lever

An exerpt "The Pentagon announced plans in June to send $250 million in aid to Ukraine, but its delivery was delayed. A defense official said last week that the Trump administration held up the money to analyze the extent to which Ukraine was addressing long-standing U.S. concerns about corruption."

 

[Jollybear]

No, as usual I can support my claims. For example, I have not had to name call in this little deflection of yours.

Take your bs and shove it up your ***.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Take your bs and shove it up your ***.

Now that is far from being polite. I thought that you wanted a discussion where you could correct all of the errors that you are making.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, if i quoted out of context, then point out in the transcript where trump or zelinski says they did not believe the ukraine government was corrupt. Go ahead.



And the conditions wer also on combating corruption. From the CNN article you gave.

"The Trump administration decided that Ukraine's passage of a new national security law, signed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on July 5, met the requirements enshrined in the US legislation, thereby allowing the Pentagon to release the funds."

And another article related to ukraine. Ukrainian president: Trump didn’t use US military aid as lever

An exerpt "The Pentagon announced plans in June to send $250 million in aid to Ukraine, but its delivery was delayed. A defense official said last week that the Trump administration held up the money to analyze the extent to which Ukraine was addressing long-standing U.S. concerns about corruption."

Seriously, after Trump held up his aid once do you think that the president of the Ukraine is going to get involved in our mess? As I said, I have a bridge for sale.

Try to find independent resources and see what the experts say. There is no doubt by them the Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses. What needs to be done is to convince the U.S. people. And it does not look good for Trump. The polls for impeachment and removal for the first time are over 50%.

 

[Jollybear]

Seriously, after Trump held up his aid once do you think that the president of the Ukraine is going to get involved in our mess? As I said, I have a bridge for sale.

I dont know, nor do you know if he will follow through. In days ahead we will know. But, the ukraine president did say he would grant trumps favor.

Try to find independent resources and see what the experts say. There is no doubt by them the Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses.

You got some people who think trump should be impeached and some that dont. What matters is the facts. Something you dont seam to care about.

What needs to be done is to convince the U.S. people.

Ya, like you. You need to be convinced of the facts. One of them being the ukraine president admitted he was not pressured by trump.

And it does not look good for Trump. The polls for impeachment and removal for the first time are over 50%.

Are you part of that pole? Am i? Im not in that pole. Many others are not either. That pole is not representative of all americans.

And ill repeat my prediction. Trump will be re-elected. If my prediction comes to pass, you can bet your life on it, i will return here and rub it in your face.

 

[Callisto]

The polls for impeachment and removal for the first time are over 50%.

Yep, I'm literally watching a news segment this moment while scrolling thru the forum. They just noted some of the latest Quinnipiac polls:

Quinnipiac Poll / of registered voters
1. "Do you approve of the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump?"
Approve 53% (up +1% since Sept)
Disapprove 43% (down -2% since Sept)

2. "The impeachment inquiry is ..."
51% - Legitimate
43% - A political witch hunt

edited to add:

Just saw Fox News just released a poll showing most Americans are in favor of the proceedings:

Fox also found he's losing traction with Republicans, "Currently, 86 percent of Republicans approve compared to 89 percent in September."

A few more polls on that page also showing incremental erosion of support. People are finally starting to wake up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I dont know, nor do you know if he will follow through. In days ahead we will know. But, the ukraine president did say he would grant trumps favor.

Not really a favor, a quid pro quo.

You got some people who think trump should be impeached and some that dont. What matters is the facts. Something you dont seam to care about.

Wrong again. I am the one that cares about facts here. So far you have been making excuses.

Ya, like you. You need to be convinced of the facts. One of them being the ukraine president admitted he was not pressured by trump.

And you once again show terrible gullibility when the evil person that you support is involved.

Are you part of that pole? Am i? Im not in that pole. Many others are not either. That pole is not representative of all americans.

Actually it is representative of all Americans. That is the idea of a poll.

And ill repeat my prediction. Trump will be re-elected. If my prediction comes to pass, you can bet your life on it, i will return here and rub it in your face.

Hopefully not. He is mentally ill at best. And it is sad that you support a person that any real Christian would dump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep, I'm literally watching a news segment this moment while scrolling thru the forum. They just noted some of the latest Quinnipiac polls:

Quinnipiac Poll / of registered voters
1. "Do you approve of the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump?"
Approve 53% (up +1% since Sept)
Disapprove 43% (down -2% since Sept)

2. "The impeachment inquiry is ..."
51% - Legitimate
43% - A political witch hunt

And ironically it was a FOX poll that said the number that wanted impeachment and removal was over 50% for the first time ever.

 

[Jollybear]

Not really a favor, a quid pro quo.

And how do you know it was a quid pro quo and not a favor?

Wrong again. I am the one that cares about facts here. So far you have been making excuses.

Ya.....ok.....then sub, if you say so, lol

Ive stopped being angry at you, i feel pitty at this point.

And you once again show terrible gullibility when the evil person that you support is involved.

And you show terrible gullibility when the evil democrats via there actions that you support are involved.

Actually it is representative of all Americans. That is the idea of a poll.

No its not representative of all americans UNLESS ALL americans wer a part of the pole, which is not the case.

Hopefully not.

Better trump then all those pethetic democrate communists.

He is mentally ill at best.

Mentally ill? Really? How can i take you serious?

And it is sad that you support a person that any real Christian would dump.

Any real christian huh? And you know what a real christian is now?

First off a real christian is REAL as in honest. Thats something you first got to get a handle on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And how do you know it was a quid pro quo and not a favor?

Because I have a functioning brain.

Ya.....ok.....then sub, if you say so, lol

Ive stopped being angry at you, i feel pitty at this point.

if you want to debate properly that is fine. If you want to continue to lie to yourself, that is fine too.

And you show terrible gullibility when the evil democrats via there actions that you support are involved.

See above. If you want to learn and try to debate properly I am all for that.

No its not representative of all americans UNLESS ALL americans wer a part of the pole, which is not the case.

I see that we can add "representative" to the list of the terms that you do not understand .

Better trump then all those pethetic democrate communists.

There are no Democratic communists. And no, Trump is apt to ruin our economy all by himself.

Mentally ill? Really? How can i take you serious?

How could he be anything but that? It gives him an excuse for some of his bad behavior. How do you explain his insanity?

Any real christian huh? And you know what a real christian is now?

Undoubtedly much more so than you do.

First off a real christian is REAL as in honest. Thats something you first got to get a handle on.

Oh my, massive projection from a Christian that calls his own God a liar.

 

[Jollybear]

Because I have a functioning brain.

Instead of preaching, why dont you answer my question. How did trump commit a quid pro qoe?

if you want to debate properly that is fine. If you want to continue to lie to yourself, that is fine too.

Ya, lets debate properly, answer my question above.

See above. If you want to learn and try to debate properly I am all for that.

Good, im glad your all for it, now back it up with action and answer my question above.

I see that we can add "representative" to the list of the terms that you do not understand .

Isnt worth my time to argue over this. If your trying to sell your view, your not doing a good job.

There are no Democratic communists. And no, Trump is apt to ruin our economy all by himself.

The left wing has destroyed your brain.

How could he be anything but that? It gives him an excuse for some of his bad behavior. How do you explain his insanity?

How can i explain what isnt there? I do know that TRULY insane people think the other is insane though.

Undoubtedly much more so than you do.

Oh my, massive projection from a Christian that calls his own God a liar.

Thought id do that since your words are nothing but boring.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Instead of preaching, why dont you answer my question. How did trump commit a quid pro qoe?



Ya, lets debate properly, answer my question above.



Goid, im glad your all for it, now back it up with action and answer my question above.



Isnt worth my time to argue over this. If your trying to sell your view, your not doing a good job.




The left wing has destroyed your brain.



How can i explain what isnt there? I do know that TRULY insane people think the other is insane though.





Thought id do that since your words are nothing but boring.

How many times do you have to be told that it you post all sorts of nonsense you only get a quick correction. When you Gish all that is required is a slap down.

 

[Jollybear]

How many times do you have to be told that it you post all sorts of nonsense you only get a quick correction. When you Gish all that is required is a slap down.

How was there a quid pro qoe?

The ukraine president said he was not pushed or pressured.

Just today he said this

Ukraine president says 'no blackmail' in phone call with Trump

"There was no blackmail," Zelensky said. "They blocked this money and nobody asked us [for] anything,"

How do you explain that?