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Donald Trump is USA president

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
This is right after Brexit. I seriously think more people should reconsider the value they place on democracy and whether democracy is really as beneficial or important as many believe it is. It has horribly failed twice just this year so far in two votes that have effects reaching a global scale and led to monumentally destructive and irrational decisions.

Do you think dictators are more rational than other folks? Or that dictators make wiser decisions than the masses?

I don't blame democracy for this mess. I think that's a way of avoiding the real fact of the matter which, as I see it, is human nature. As Stephen Hawkings said, we're very likely to do ourselves in by greed and stupidity. Greed and stupidity are intrinsic to us, and no system of government is going to change that.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Do you think dictators are more rational than other folks? Or that dictators make wiser decisions than the masses?

That would depend on the dictators, just like whether or not I think democratically elected leaders are more rational than other folks would depend on said leaders.

I think the biggest issue would lie in picking the dictator (through specific channels, not the people themselves) who could be relied on to work toward the interests of the people. That's what would decide whether the dictators that would end up in power were rational folks or not.

I don't blame democracy for this mess. I think that's a way of avoiding the real fact of the matter which, as I see it, is human nature. As Stephen Hawkings said, we're very likely to do ourselves in by greed and stupidity. Greed and stupidity are intrinsic to us, and no system of government is going to change that.

That's a fair point, but I think democracy is at least partially to blame here for enabling the bigoted, ignorant, and blindly hateful to vote and giving their opinions equal weight to those of the more educated and tolerant. In its essence, democracy seems to me to be an appeal to the masses, so how beneficial it is rests on how reasonable and educated the masses are.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
"If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.
If you are at peace you are living in the present.”
--- Lao Tzu

I'm not happy Trump won but I am happy Hillary lost....so everybody....calm down...take a few breathes and relax..... America will still be here in 4 or 8 years.....lets just all calm down, stop the hysteria and panicking and labeling and wait and see what is going to happen
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Only the fool tells one not to panic when their house is burning down!!
 

Kartari

Active Member
"If you are depressed you are living in the past.
If you are anxious you are living in the future.
If you are at peace you are living in the present.”
--- Lao Tzu

I'm not happy Trump won but I am happy Hillary lost....so everybody....calm down...take a few breathes and relax..... America will still be here in 4 or 8 years.....lets just all calm down, stop the hysteria and panicking and labeling and wait and see what is going to happen

You haven't been paying attention to what Trump's been advocating he'd do, have you? I would not be surprised if we find ourselves in Word War 3 based on his insane ideas. I am not kidding...
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
You haven't been paying attention to what Trump's been advocating he'd do, have you? I would not be surprised if we find ourselves in Word War 3 based on his insane ideas. I am not kidding...
I totally agree with you,I think he fooled Americans, by he saying "not going to make wars."
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Hello all


I heard in news officially Trump win the US election,
that's what predicted before months ago.
People on both sides were making predictions with unwarranted certainty.
The lead continually shifted back & forth.
Even now, the popular vote is extremely close.
But no matter how unsupported the predictions, some were going to be correct.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
People on both sides were making predictions with unwarranted certainty.
The lead continually shifted back & forth.
Even now, the popular vote is extremely close.
But no matter how unsupported the predictions, some were going to be correct.
I hope I will be wrong.

but some worse is coming definitly, I think he lieing about not going to wars.

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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Well I see Satans is happy that Trump won, but that wouldn't surprise me,
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well I see Satan is happy that Trump won, but that wouldn't surprise me,
Satan is always happy that we do not choose God to be commander-in-chief if indeed satan is a real thing with emotions....which I doubt. If Hillary won, Satan would be happy. If Bernie won (my choice) Satan would be happy. I guess Satan should be happy until the people of Earth learn to be free. You know, without the need to be told what we will do and what we won't do.
 
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