Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Quran mentions the principles, it is not a children-names-book. Don't you like a principled argument? I think you don't. Well, I may be wrong at time, not necessarily though.
Regards

I like arguments where my opponent can argue consistently without cop-outs and apply similar standards of what they consider proof to themselves as those applied to the opposing view. You don't seem capable of doing either of those things. I'd say more but if I do I suspect it'll be censured as a 'personal attack'.

 

[idav]

May be. There are many more sources, I just started with it:
Dhul-Kifl has been mentioned twice in the Holy Qur'an, in the following Qur'anic verses:
And (remember) Isma'il, Idris, and Zul-kifl, all (men) of constancy and patience.
We admitted them to Our mercy: for they were of the righteous ones.
— Qur'an, sura 21 (Al-Anbiya), ayah 85–86[4]
And commemorate Isma'il, Elisha and Zul-Kifl: Each of them was of the Company of the Good.
— Qur'an, sura 38 (Sad), ayah 48[5]
In both cases, Dhū'l-Kifl is mentioned in the context of a list of Qur'anic prophets, including many others not mentioned in the ayat quoted above.
Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the Fourth Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, identifies Dhul-Kifl with the Buddha: Dhul-Kifl in this interpretation meaning "of Kapeel".[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Kifl

Thanks and regards

Hindus do fine without abrahmic texts, probably better off without them.

 

[paarsurrey]

Quran mentions the principles, it is not a children-names-book. Don't you like a principled argument? I think you don't. Well, I may be wrong at time, not necessarily though.
Regards

On what basis was Dhul-Kifl identified as a reference to the Buddha?

One many like to read #179 on Buddha having been mentioned in Quran. Please
Regards

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the Fourth Caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, identifies Dhul-Kifl with the Buddha: Dhul-Kifl in this interpretation meaning "of Kapeel".[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Kifl

Few people find that argument convincing.

 

[paarsurrey]

Few people find that argument convincing.

Never-mind, no compulsion.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
One suggestion please.
Every one of you must have read some portions of you Divine Scripture.
One would have read say 1/3, the other 1/4 another 1/5 whatever so on and so forth . And all of you are intelligent and wise persons and are with a lot of confidence.
Cant' you make a board of wise persons well-versed in Vedas and other Hinduism Holy Scriptures to prepare a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture for the masses, with references to the originals to read whoever is interested?
Now don't be suspicious of me, I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, I am definitely not interested to have a representation on such Board.
So, please go on with this suggestion and compress the whole scriptures to a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture , in an intelligent way.
May Brahman bless you!, please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

You seem to be asking for Dharma without realizing it.

 

[Vinayaka]

Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
One suggestion please.
Every one of you must have read some portions of you Divine Scripture.
One would have read say 1/3, the other 1/4 another 1/5 whatever so on and so forth . And all of you are intelligent and wise persons and are with a lot of confidence.
Cant' you make a board of wise persons well-versed in Vedas and other Hinduism Holy Scriptures to prepare a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture for the masses, with references to the originals to read whoever is interested?
Now don't be suspicious of me, I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, I am definitely not interested to have a representation on such Board.
So, please go on with this suggestion and compress the whole scriptures to a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture , in an intelligent way.
May Brahman bless you!, please
Regards

Many have tried, paarsurrey, but it's really difficult because we're so diverse. Even the basics like God, karma, and reincarnation don't fit everyone in Hinduism. Here's an example: http://www.neelkanthdhaam.org/nbh.html a short concise example. We in the Hindu DIR have discussed this before, and usually 80% of the people agree to at least 6 or 7 of the 9 listed. So, because of diversity, it's just hard.

But I'm going to go off topic and tell you about my Ahmadi acquaintance from earlier in my life. He was a shopkeeper ... a very friendly man, and his shop was an Indian Import store. At that time I was one of the main people buying supplies for our Hindu temple here. I became a regular customer, and bought all my Indian spices and often vegetables there. He was always smiling, and winking at people. Anyone who shopped there knew he was such a nice man, a shining example of your faith, and of humanity itself. My temple supplies always got a 10% discount ... because it was 'for religion' as he put it. It was clear that one of his goals was to make everyone around him happier. Poor fellow had a heart problem, and his two sons sold the store. But he served this community well for over 30 years. Mr. Jiwa, may he rest in peace.

 

[paarsurrey]

But I'm going to go off topic and tell you about my Ahmadi acquaintance from earlier in my life. He was a shopkeeper ... a very friendly man, and his shop was an Indian Import store. At that time I was one of the main people buying supplies for our Hindu temple here. I became a regular customer, and bought all my Indian spices and often vegetables there. He was always smiling, and winking at people. Anyone who shopped there knew he was such a nice man, a shining example of your faith, and of humanity itself. My temple supplies always got a 10% discount ... because it was 'for religion' as he put it. It was clear that one of his goals was to make everyone around him happier. Poor fellow had a heart problem, and his two sons sold the store. But he served this community well for over 30 years. Mr. Jiwa, may he rest in peace.

Thanks for your appreciation of one of my fellow Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Many have tried, paarsurrey, but it's really difficult because we're so diverse. Even the basics like God, karma, and reincarnation don't fit everyone in Hinduism. Here's an example: http://www.neelkanthdhaam.org/nbh.html a short concise example. We in the Hindu DIR have discussed this before, and usually 80% of the people agree to at least 6 or 7 of the 9 listed. So, because of diversity, it's just hard.

Please link me the thread. Where Hinduism people failed, I want to see it.
We will start from where a hurdle stalled the dialogue.
If you fail, try try again. Please
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Please link me the thread. Where Hinduism people failed, I want to see it.
We will start from where a hurdle stalled the dialogue.
If you fail, try try again. Please
Regards

Too long ago, and I can't remember, paarsurrey. It would be like going to the same movie 50 times. Not much point is there? It's like the statement you keep saying that Krishna is a messenger of God. I believe that you believe that. Since you keep repeating it, I think you won't change your belief. The Hindu Vaishnavites keep saying, or informing you that for them, Krishna is God, not a messenger of God. So ... at some point, everyone should just agree to disagree, and find a new topic. instead of always hoping the other side will change their mind. It is too much a waste of time.

 

[paarsurrey]

Even the basics like God, karma, and reincarnation don't fit everyone in Hinduism. Here's an example: http://www.neelkanthdhaam.org/nbh.html a short concise example.

Nine Beliefs of Hinduism

Beliefs are the building blocks of the mind. Our beliefs determine our thoughts and attitudes about life, which in turn direct our actions. By our actions we create our destiny. Beliefs about sacred matters—God, man and cosmos—are essential to one’s approach to enlightenment. But beliefs are not mere matters of agreement. They are what we value and hold as true. Hindus believe many diverse things, but there are a few bedrock concepts on which most Hindus concur. The following nine beliefs, though not exhaustive, offer a simple summary of Hindu spirituality.
1) I believe in the divinity of the Vedas, the world’s most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God’s word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion that has neither a beginning nor an end.
2) I believe in a one, all-pervasive Supreme Being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and the Unmanifest Reality.
3) I believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.
4) I believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.
5) I believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, spiritual knowledge and liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a single soul will be eternally deprived of this destiny.
6) I believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals, sacraments as well as personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.
7) I believe that a spiritually awakened master, or satguru, is essential to know the Transcendent
http://www.neelkanthdhaam.org/nbh.html

I believe in ONENESS of G-d, so here I would differ with the point #6, others points I also believe with different somewhat ofther interpretations.
But I definitely don't believe in Hinduism.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, a friend of Hinduism people.
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

But I definitely don't believe in Hinduism.

Regards

Of course you don't. You're a Muslim. Muslims should work on becoming better Muslims. Be happy with that. The last thing you would ever want to do is become a Hindu. You'd just get confused.

 

[LuisDantas]

@paarsurrey , a lack of full agreement is not necessarily a failure in any meaningful sense.

 

[sayak83]

Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?
One suggestion please.
Every one of you must have read some portions of you Divine Scripture.
One would have read say 1/3, the other 1/4 another 1/5 whatever so on and so forth . And all of you are intelligent and wise persons and are with a lot of confidence.
Cant' you make a board of wise persons well-versed in Vedas and other Hinduism Holy Scriptures to prepare a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture for the masses, with references to the originals to read whoever is interested?
Now don't be suspicious of me, I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, I am definitely not interested to have a representation on such Board.
So, please go on with this suggestion and compress the whole scriptures to a concise Super-Hindu-Scripture , in an intelligent way.
May Brahman bless you!, please
Regards

Why ask a question I have already answered 10 pages ago?
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...-concise-scripture.188664/page-3#post-4805429

 

[sayak83]

Nine Beliefs of Hinduism

Beliefs are the building blocks of the mind. Our beliefs determine our thoughts and attitudes about life, which in turn direct our actions. By our actions we create our destiny. Beliefs about sacred matters—God, man and cosmos—are essential to one’s approach to enlightenment. But beliefs are not mere matters of agreement. They are what we value and hold as true. Hindus believe many diverse things, but there are a few bedrock concepts on which most Hindus concur. The following nine beliefs, though not exhaustive, offer a simple summary of Hindu spirituality.
1) I believe in the divinity of the Vedas, the world’s most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God’s word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion that has neither a beginning nor an end.
2) I believe in a one, all-pervasive Supreme Being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and the Unmanifest Reality.
3) I believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.
4) I believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.
5) I believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, spiritual knowledge and liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a single soul will be eternally deprived of this destiny.
6) I believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals, sacraments as well as personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.
7) I believe that a spiritually awakened master, or satguru, is essential to know the Transcendent
http://www.neelkanthdhaam.org/nbh.html

I believe in ONENESS of G-d, so here I would differ with the point #6, others points I also believe with different somewhat ofther interpretations.
But I definitely don't believe in Hinduism.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, a friend of Hinduism people.
Regards

Unfortunately Hinduism (and all Dharmic religions) does not believe in beliefs, but direct realization through love, works, meditation and contemplative reflection on experience. People grow into and out of beliefs along the way towards such a realization, as appropriate when they either help or hinder their journey...but Hindus are encouraged to not get attached to beliefs.

 

[paarsurrey]

Unfortunately Hinduism (and all Dharmic religions) does not believe in beliefs, but direct realization through love, works, meditation and contemplative reflection on experience. People grow into and out of beliefs along the way towards such a realization, as appropriate when they either help or hinder their journey...but Hindus are encouraged to not get attached to beliefs.

How do you know?
A friend here told me that they have tried it in past to prepare a concise Hinduism Scripture out of the vast ocean of scriptures that is impossible to read in one life time.
So, they need it. If they need it . Why not to have it.
I am not imposing one from myself. They, the Hinduism people, themselves must prepare one for an ordinary man in the street is search of Truth.Concise and in easy language that one could read and finish in a month.d it.
Gone are the days when the Hindu priests of upper classes would pour molten lead in the ears of a common man who was got interested in hearing the Hinduism Scripture. Right?Please
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Paarsurrey, each individual sect already most likely has a core set of beliefs. So if we already have it, we do not need a car. It makes no sense to tell a man who owns a car that he needs a car.

 

[sayak83]

How do you know?
A friend here told me that they have tried it in past to prepare a concise Hinduism Scripture out of the vast ocean of scriptures that is impossible to read in one life time.
So, they need it. If they need it . Why not to have it.
I am not imposing one from myself. They, the Hinduism people, themselves must prepare one for an ordinary man in the street is search of Truth.Concise and in easy language that one could read and finish in a month.d it.
Gone are the days when the Hindu priests of upper classes would pour molten lead in the ears of a common man who was got interested in hearing the Hinduism Scripture. Right?Please
Regards

I already presented you with many examples of concise scriptures. They exist already and read and referred to. The problem is not that they don't exist, the problem is that they are not adequately translated from Sanskrit to the various local languages that most Indians speak nowadays, or digitized so that they are widely available on the net. Its simply about translating them in the format that is appropriate to the 21st century formats of reading. That is can be done.

That these concise scriptures are not in the format you like them to be (a statement of beliefs and commandments) based on your Islamic predispositions is not my problem.

 

[Jainarayan]

@paarsurrey , a lack of full agreement is not necessarily a failure in any meaningful sense.

If that were the case, Heathenry is a lost cause and should just close up shop now.

Q. What do you call two Heathens in a room?
A. An argument.