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Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
A friend here told me that they have tried it in past to prepare a concise Hinduism Scripture out of the vast ocean of scriptures that is impossible to read in one life time.
So, they need it. If they need it . Why not to have it.

Because, and I don't think we can stress this enough, though we've tried... Hinduism is not one single religion. Even I used to think it was, but boy was I wrong. And there is no way to count how many "religions" fall under the umbrella of Hinduism. There are different scriptures, customs, traditions, beliefs for all of the religions, sects and denominations that fall under the umbrella term Hinduism.

Observe:
  • Two members here @Vinayaka and @Jainarayan are both Hindu.
  • @Vinayaka worships Shiva almost exclusively (he includes Shiva's sons Murugan and Ganesha).
  • @Vinayaka respects Krishna, and respects those who worship Krishna as God, but he doesn't worship Krishna himself, or read Vaishnava scriptures (Vaishnava = followers of Vishnu).
  • @Jainarayan respects @Vinayaka's beliefs and methods of worship.
  • @Jainarayan primarily worships Vishnu in the form of Krishna as God, but he also worships Shiva and most other gods in one way or another. @Jainarayan sees Shiva as much God as Vishnu is. @Jainarayan is one of those oddball "Hindus" who believes Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same, flip sides of the same coin, the same God who appears differently at different times.
  • Look at @Jainarayan's signature picture and see that the left side is a combined form of Shiva and Vishnu, and the right side is a combined form of Durga, Lakshmi and Saraswati as one Goddess. Together they are all God as male and female, but actually neither.
  • @Jainarayan and @Vinayaka are both Hindu but follow considerably different beliefs and methods of worship.
  • @Jainarayan and @Vinayaka are both Hindu, they go into a coffee house and order tea. @Jainarayan would actually prefer a horn of mead, but he gets really loopy when he's loaded. @Jainarayan has not had anything to drink today, and he's this loopy because he's really mentally and physically tired. Anyway...
  • They get along and have a good time chatting.
  • The End.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Hey, I respect Paarsurrey's belief system too. It is a peaceful non-violent branch as far as I know. I respect all religions who mean other religions no harm. (But then respect doesn't mean I need or want to take any of those beliefs on either.)

Even the ones who wish us ill will, two wrongs don't make a right. I wish Mr. Naik would just shut up already, but can't say I'd like to see him hurt. That goes against the fundamental ... ahimsa.

Edited to add ... and atheists too ... lol ... just so long as they aren't violent or condoning violence.
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hey, I respect Paarsurrey's belief system too. It is a peaceful non-violent branch as far as I know. I respect all religions who mean other religions no harm. (But then respect doesn't mean I need or want to take any of those beliefs on either.)
Even the ones who wish us ill will, two wrongs don't make a right. I wish Mr. Naik would just shut up already, but can't say I'd like to see him hurt. That goes against the fundamental ... ahimsa.
Edited to add ... and atheists too ... lol ... just so long as they aren't violent or condoning violence.
@Vinayaka , @Jainarayan ,@LuisDantas
Agreed. Right? Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Because, and I don't think we can stress this enough, though we've tried... Hinduism is not one single religion. Even I used to think it was, but boy was I wrong. And there is no way to count how many "religions" fall under the umbrella of Hinduism. There are different scriptures, customs, traditions, beliefs for all of the religions, sects and denominations that fall under the umbrella term Hinduism.

Observe:
  • Two members here @Vinayaka and @Jainarayan are both Hindu.
  • @Vinayaka worships Shiva almost exclusively (he includes Shiva's sons Murugan and Ganesha).
  • @Vinayaka respects Krishna, and respects those who worship Krishna as God, but he doesn't worship Krishna himself, or read Vaishnava scriptures (Vaishnava = followers of Vishnu).
  • @Jainarayan respects @Vinayaka's beliefs and methods of worship.
  • @Jainarayan primarily worships Vishnu in the form of Krishna as God, but he also worships Shiva and most other gods in one way or another. @Jainarayan sees Shiva as much God as Vishnu is. @Jainarayan is one of those oddball "Hindus" who believes Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same, flip sides of the same coin, the same God who appears differently at different times.
  • Look at @Jainarayan's signature picture and see that the left side is a combined form of Shiva and Vishnu, and the right side is a combined form of Durga, Lakshmi and Saraswati as one Goddess. Together they are all God as male and female, but actually neither.
  • @Jainarayan and @Vinayaka are both Hindu but follow considerably different beliefs and methods of worship.
  • @Jainarayan and @Vinayaka are both Hindu, they go into a coffee house and order tea. @Jainarayan would actually prefer a horn of mead, but he gets really loopy when he's loaded. @Jainarayan has not had anything to drink today, and he's this loopy because he's really mentally and physically tired. Anyway...
  • They get along and have a good time chatting.
  • The End.
@Satyamavejayanti @JayaBholenath @LuisDantas @Vinayaka @sayak83

Your viewpoints are noted.
Yet it is not the "The End" of the world, not yet. Or is it? Right? Please
Whenever there is an ending, a beginning is in the offing. Right? Please
Regards
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
@Satyamavejayanti @JayaBholenath @LuisDantas @Vinayaka @sayak83

Your viewpoints are noted.
Yet it is not the "The End" of the world, not yet. Or is it? Right? Please
Whenever there is an ending, a beginning is in the offing. Right? Please
Regards
Respecting a person's rights to have a belief, and respecting them because they mean no harm is very very different than agreeing with their beliefs.

Not sure what you're talking about here. In Hinduism the universe continues in ENDLESS cycles.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Respecting a person's rights to have a belief, and respecting them because they mean no harm is very very different than agreeing with their beliefs.
Not sure what you're talking about here. In Hinduism the universe continues in ENDLESS cycles.
Universe is not a living being, it is only relatively endless, has no power to continue or discontinue. It obeys the commandments of Brahma/Brahman/Tao/Waheguru/Rahman:
[39:67] Aye, worship Allah and be among the thankful.
[39:68] And they do not esteem Allah, with the esteem that is due to Him. And the whole earth will be but His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand. Glory to Him and exalted is He above that which they associate with Him.
[39:69] And the trumpet will be blown, and all who are in the heavens and all who are in the earth will fall down in a swoon, except those whom Allah will please to exempt. Then will it be blown a second time, and lo! they will be standing, awaiting.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=39&verse=67

Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
A point for the "Concise Hinduism Scripture".
Vedas could be compressed to be Concise:

SamVeda have only about 75 new verses, the rest 1700 verses are repetitions from RigVeda.



The Samaveda, is the Veda of melodies and chants. It is an ancient Vedic Sanskrit text, and part of the scriptures of Hinduism. One of the four Vedas, it is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda. Wikipedia
Is there any problem in compression? Please
Regards
 

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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
A point for the "Concise Hinduism Scripture".
Vedas could be compressed to be Concise:

SamVeda have only about 75 new verses, the rest 1700 verses are repetitions from RigVeda.



The Samaveda, is the Veda of melodies and chants. It is an ancient Vedic Sanskrit text, and part of the scriptures of Hinduism. One of the four Vedas, it is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda. Wikipedia
Is there any problem in compression? Please
Regards

There is definitely a downside in favoring scripture over direct transmission: the scripture does not know you.

A living Guru that has any skill at all will realize his disciple's natural tendencies and adjust accordingly, shaping the form and emphasis of the teachings so that they have the best chance of bearing good fruit.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

I love all the world scriptures, they are all from G-d/Brahman/Brahma/Tao/Waheguru/Rahman, they might be corrupted by the narrators/scribes/clergy so errors/omissions/suppressions excepted, the part that is pristine and secure I must believe it.
I had read the Bhagavad Gita
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, and now I have started reading Yajur veda
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, and the text I have started reading has 243 pages. I will apprise the progress in this connection to my friends in this connection. So, I have a stake in a concise Hinduism scripture as I have already stated. It is my first reading in which I intend to read the literal translation of the tex ,as I don't know Sanskrit, but no commentary. Is it OK. Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

I love all the world scriptures, they are all from G-d/Brahman/Brahma/Tao/Waheguru/Rahman, they might be corrupted by the narrators/scribes/clergy so errors/omissions/suppressions excepted, the part that is pristine and secure I must believe it.
I had read the Bhagavad Gita View attachment 13620, and now I have started reading Yajur VedaView attachment 13621, and the text I have started reading has 243 pages. I will apprise the progress in this connection to my friends in this connection. So, I have a stake in a concise Hinduism scripture as I have already stated. It is my first reading in which I intend to read the literal translation of the text ,as I don't know Sanskrit, but no commentary. Is it OK. Please
I have read 68 pages of the translated text of Yajur Veda out of the total 243 pages, and I intend to finish the first reading of it in a couple of days, I am not reading the commentary.
I understand there was only on Veda originally and then people divided/classified the same in four Vedas for their convenience, then the division and classification has been going on, people had been busy doing it, till at one time the number reaches to 1131.
So if 1131 Vedas have been made from Just one Veda, then it could be compressed to make one again and its original form should be restored to it. Right? Please
Regards
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
So if 1131 Vedas have been made from Just one Veda, then it could be compressed to make one again and its original form should be restored to it. Right? Please
Regards

I'm not sure how you can compress a scripture without losing something, Paar. I also don't see why you view it as useful, or even necessary. Are you trying to get it all down to something comparable to the Koran in length?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I'm not sure how you can compress a scripture without losing something, Paar. I also don't see why you view it as useful, or even necessary. Are you trying to get it all down to something comparable to the Koran in length?

No, that is not my intention. Please read my earlier posts again (for example the post of Friday at 9:34 PM#210) .
As a first point only the repetitions are to be compressed:

Sam Veda has only about 65 new verses, the rest 1810 verses are repetitions from Rig Veda.

"The Samaveda, is the Veda of melodies and chants. It is an ancient Vedic Sanskrit text, and part of the scriptures of Hinduism. One of the four Vedas, it is a liturgical text whose 1,875 verses are primary derived from the Rigveda". Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaveda

In the suggested Compressed Hinduism Scripture , while keeping the Reg Veda uncompressed, the Sam Veda should show the new 65 verses and for the rest a note could be given with the reference of Rig Veda Chapter/Verse wise, with numbers not the actual words.
I have before me the Work done by Paul Carus* who prepared "Gospel of Buddha" from a very large scriptures of Buddhism. I am not doing it myself, but I will suggest as to how it could be done without tampering with the original Vedas.
The actual work could be done by @Vinayaka and others belonging to Hinduism at RF, only if they agree to it, as also suggested by me in an earlier post.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gospel_of_Buddha
No compulsion however, whatsoever, please.
Please provide the link of an attempt already made in these forums that was stalled for some reasons .

Regards
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The Gospel of Buddha is a good comparision to bring up, since it is so questionable in both intent and results.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Don't the Hinduism (Dharmic) people need a concise Scripture?

Further to post #214I , I have read 115 pages out of 243 pages of Yajur Veda.

The Rishi , whatever was his name, had implored Lord/King/Agni to speak to him:
CHAPTER IX 97*
28. O' King, speak truthfully and kindly to us h^re, be graciously
inclined to us. Winner of thousand warriors, grant us happiness for
thou art the giver of wealth.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
* THE YAJUR VEDA ,Translated by,DEVI CHAND, M.A.,Ex. Principal, D. A. V. College* Hoshiarpur,Ex. President, D. A, V. College Managing Committee, Hoshiarpur,Ex. President, Dayanand Dalit Uddhar Mandal, Hoshiarpur, Ex* President, Arya Smaj, Hoshiarpur, Ex. President, Arya Pradeshik Pratinidhi Sabha, Jullundur, Ex. President, All India Dayanand Salvation Mission, Hoshiarpur. 1959

Wouldn't the imploration of the Rishi had been heard/ accepted by Lord/King/Agni ? Please

Regards
 
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