Just do so in another thread, OK.
This thread isn't about that.
;Stop derailing it.
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Doomposting
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This thread isn't about that.
;Stop derailing it.
I see no need for a separate thread. You brought up the subject of demonization and hatred; I answered.
It appears neutral. Hopefully we'll also see it put into action across the board.
I don't see it as derailment, but as you wish.
I have made my points clear on hate and demonization.
That's the problem...you see every thread as
ripe for your making it about what you want.
I can't stop you from derailing this thread.
But I ask you to take it elsewhere.
Are you inviting me to extraneous
issues into your threads?
I thought 'doomposting' was more about "we're all going to die" threads. In today's political climate, people are going to be highly partisan over some things, usually their pet issues. That's not doomposting, that's just politics as usual. I agree that some people could be a little nicer about it and not demonize others, but I guess it's just a sign of the times.
Not really. I just post my opinion like everyone else does, you included.
We've already agreed that we won't be pursuing that subject here, so I'm holding up my end of that and moving on.
PureX
Veteran Member
Just getting really sick of the constant false equalivances being thrown up every time someone on "your team" gets called out for being a dirt bag.
It could be about that too.
Neologisms evolve & have multiple meanings.
I use the term as a quasi-counter-part to
"doomscrolling", ie, consuming negative news.
I like to put news tidbits about mischief by
this or that left or right politician in the
Random Meaningless Announcement
joke threads. I consciously try (& sometimes
succeed) to avoid making new threads about
such things.
My team <sniff> gets largely ignored.
We've so few Libertarians in office <sniff>
that I bet you can't name a single one.
Will liberals ever learn that if they share
a fault with conservatives, that they can't
dismiss it with a fevered cry of
"False equivalency!" To recognize shared
sins is not to claim they're identical in
time, place, frequency, & severity.
You're not superior to the other side.
Don't hate the other side.
Listen, discuss, & disagree with reason.
And perhaps occasionally find agreement
on some issue.
Don't be like...
More proof the right wing is essentially comprised of closet fascists
PureX
Veteran Member
The "your" was not about you, specifically.
The point you don't seem to be grasping here is that it doesn't matter what an accuser is guilty of. What matters is that the accusation is accurate. And it doesn't become any less accurate just because the accuser is also guilty of ... whatever. Nor does the offense somehow become less offensive. Yet this is constantly being posed as a way of excusing and minimizing very real offenses by people who defend "their team" automatically, and by any means logical or illogical, honest or dishonest. It's become epidemic these days, when "team" affiliation trumps all honesty and reason.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Mischief by individual politicians might be interesting, depending on what it is, although I think the media tend to focus on a few at a time.
What people post here is often reflective of what they read in the news. For example, we see a lot of posts about George Santos lately, since he's been in the news a lot - although strictly speaking, one misbehaving Congressperson is not going to bring the entire country down. It doesn't really affect that many people's lives, except perhaps those who live in his district and got hoodwinked into electing him. But despite all of that, there is still electricity in people's homes. The phones are still working; there's food on the shelves at the grocery stores. The internet is still working, and there's gas available at the gas station (with prices creeping upward again, but I wouldn't blame that on Santos). Life goes on, and the world keeps turning, but looking at the political discussions, one would think we're on the edge of an abyss because George Santos exists.
But that's just a single example. There are plenty of other examples one can draw upon.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I think you may have noticed that this kind of logic rarely gets received well when one party's agenda is flagrantly more damaging than the other's. Perhaps it will resonate with more people in 20 or 30 years if the GOP has pulled itself away from theocratic extremism by then.
Many people of all political persuasions believe they're "superior to the other side." That's not the main issue nowadays, since it's as old as humans have existed. The main issue is that, in recent years, stating "you're not superior to the other side" has often become a way of saying "both parties' platforms are similarly bad," which is an argument many people understandably find utterly mistaken.
I want unity, not division.
Dialogue, not silence.
Dialogue, not silence.
Actions and beliefs speak louder than words.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Yeah, a lot of us did too somewhere around 10 years ago. But some people continued to double down and bury their head in certain entertainment programs masquerading as news programs, losing any and all ability to critically consume reporting journalism.
There is no dialogue with literal fascists.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
To be fair, this post kind of points out the flaw in this thread.
I agree, it's false equivalence to compare the wrong done by Russia and the USA to excuse or distract from the current political situation.
I also think it's false equivalence to compare the wrong done by the Democratic and Republican party. By any reasonable, objective standard, the Republicans are ethically, economically and politically worse in almost every possible way. The flaws of the Dems is that they are largely ineffective, elitist and hypocritical. The flaws of the Republicans is that they are willing to support a fascist and undermine the entire democratic process of the USA in order to hold on to power, embrace conspiracy theories, outright lie to the voters, and put in place policies based on a culture war ideology that will harm minority groups.
The Dems are a bad political party. The Reps are a death cult.
I'm a utilitarian. If denouncing Republicans as more evil, destructive, dishonest than the Democrats results in a better outcome, then that's what I am going to say.
It also happens to be true. Which is a nifty bonus.
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There's false equivalence right there, and it's apparent in how you framed this. As you imply, the right doesn't make this claim. They seldom criticize the left for claiming a false equivalence with them.
Yes, liberals and the Democrats are superior to the right and the Republicans if the Constitution and moral decency are one's standards. Yes, I have contempt for the Republican party, have little respect for those who don't, and wouldn't want to have any other feeling about such people. I quit listening to them years ago and see no virtue in any other attitude. I can't remember the last thing I heard worth hearing come out of a Republican's mouth that wasn't already being said by Democrats, and those exceptions are rare.
I just heard Jim Jordan interviewed. Pure garbage only worth listening to in order to get a more full picture of just how contemptible he is. As I said, I have no interest in trying to find things to like about such a person. Like most of MAGA, he and I don't have enough in common for me to have any interest in his thoughts, and reasoning with such people is impossible. Love thy enemy is a nice Hallmark sentiment and all bible-y, but bad advice: "Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you." Entirely inappropriate advice for dealing with this nest of vipers.
And why not? That's exactly how one should be in the face of their creeping fascism. Sorry you either don't see that or consider holding that view a problem or mistake, but your make-nice policy is inappropriate here. These people are enemies as surely as Putin and the Taliban, who are also enemies of democracy, egalitarianism, government transparency, church-state separation, and the rule of law, and with whom reasoning and seeking common ground is also a waste of time and potential danger if one naively thinks that these people might become friends or allies and believes or trusts them.
I'll keep my contempt for these sorts. It's the higher moral ground than the one you propose, which asks one to find good in people who exist to lie, steal, and cheat, in an effort to exploit others for selfish reasons without interest in the harm they do - like the mafia, except using the government to do it. **mod edit**
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