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[Revoltingest]

Have you considered that "false equivalence" may indeed accurately describe the OP?

I'll consider any reasoned argument.
You've not made one
Are you just here because you're still peeved
over that Russia-vs-USA-which-is-more-evil
argument? You came here with that, & now
the thread is full of liberals with tu quoque
whataboutist arguments. Gee...thanx.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You really need a new line.
That one is tired...over-used by liberals,
especially in this thread. You guys don't
even know what it means. It's about
claims of equality, not about shared sins.

That's what this entire thread is based on. That's literally your argument.

I think it's okay to demonize things and people that are bad. You don't because...?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I'll consider any reasoned argument.
You've not made one
Are you just here because you're still peeved
over that Russia-vs-USA-which-is-more-evil
argument? You came here with that, & now
the thread is full of liberals with tu quoque
whataboutist arguments. Gee...thanx.

I'm pretty sure others would have seen the flaws in the logic of the OP without my posts. This is not the first thread where that kind of argument has been made by someone and addressed by liberals.

I'm not peeved, no. I'm just debating like people do in, you know, a debate thread.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Typical...you avoid the subject of the OP by making it about the poster, not the issue.

Ah ah ah, about your actions, not you. The OP is purely hypocrisy, as you do not practice what you are finger-wagging at us.

And don't think I didn't notice you didn't provide clarity as to the "one person we use to demonize a whole party". As though one politician is all that's wrong with Republicans.

 

[sun rise]

My team <sniff> gets largely ignored.
We've so few Libertarians in office <sniff>
that I bet you can't name a single one.

Will liberals ever learn that if they share
a fault with conservatives, that they can't
dismiss it with a fevered cry of
"False equivalency!" To recognize shared
sins is not to claim they're identical in
time, place, frequency, & severity.
You're not superior to the other side.
Don't hate the other side.
Listen, discuss, & disagree with reason.
And perhaps occasionally find agreement
on some issue.

Don't be like...
More proof the right wing is essentially comprised of closet fascists

I created that as a tit-for-tat from the other side. I will not be a punching bag

 

[sun rise]

Yes, Democrats generally oppose any comparison
with Republicans. Their sanctimonious superiority
would be deflated if they admitted to any corruption,
incompetence, hypocrisy, war mongering, & other
such shortcomings. So all comparisons are met
with the knee jerk "False equivalancey!" in an
attempt to shut down criticism.

That's ignoring reality and various news events. False equivalency is real and to ignore it is to make Ilhan Omar's situation the same as someone who is openly racist, calls for insurrection etc. It's like saying there is no real difference between Trump and Biden.

 

[Jimmy]

This thread is weird.
Clueless

 

[Nakosis]

I see many highly partisan threads about news of this
or that person doing something heinous, & demonizing
an entire group with a worst case inference about them.
Fellows join to dogpile on the group, extoling their own
virtues, & decrying the evil of the other. This shuts down
balance, tolerance, equanimity, & reason.


Please, people....don't cheerlead each other into
hatred of the other team, & ignore sins of your own.

Why examine my own sins while it is so easy to benefit by picking on the sins of others?

Your sin for example is assuming you could make a poignant point in the OP.
Of course the genius of hind sight. Something I am constantly reminded of by my losses in the stock market.

I'm just giving you a hard time and I can see you are having fun so,
Heroic effort.

 

[Nakosis]

This thread is weird.
Clueless

Well you know, ignorance is bliss especially when it comes to my own sins.
Of which there are plenty.
So I come here to take my mind off all of them and happily frolic among the sins of others?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's what this entire thread is based on. That's literally your argument.

You're wrong.
Read the OP.
It's about liberals & conservatives each posting
dueling threads to make the other side look bad.
They use isolated incidents that they falsely
make writ large.
I know you're smart enuf to understand this.
So what's really going on?

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm pretty sure others would have seen the flaws in the logic of the OP....

You make the claim about logic.
But you provide no reasoning.
Your posts are...
1) A reaction to some mistaken inference.
2) Or continuing the anti-USA pro-Russia tirade.
3) Or attempting to justify making repetitive posts
to demonize conservatives. It's a refusal to face
any sins on the liberal side. IOW, if one can't
win a particular argument, introduce a red herring,
ie, whataboutism.

 

[Revoltingest]

The OP is purely hypocrisy,

The old tu quoque, last refuge of the illiberal liberal.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You're wrong. Read the OP. It's about liberals & conservatives each posting dueling threads to make the other side look bad.

So you're absolved of this behavior simply because you're a Libertarian, and neither a Liberal nor a Conservative? Because

They use isolated incidents that they falsely make writ large.

You do this. Often. You accuse us Leftists of overreliance on "false equivalency" and tell us to get a better line, yet the exact same could be said for many of your almost exclusively anti-Leftist arguments. Your active practice of the exact thing you are chastising others of doing is 100% relevant to this thread as a whole, no matter how much you direct us back to the origin post.

The old tu quoque, last refuge of the illiberal liberal.

Yes, how dare we point out your flaws here. Do watch out for bears.

 

[Revoltingest]

I created that as a tit-for-tat from the other side. I will not be a punching bag

Thank you.
This illustrates the problem.
Alas, too many lefties seem to think it was criticism of
only them. So they launch in to whataboutism &
attacking the poster, while ignoring the issue.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You make the claim about logic.
But you provide no reasoning.
Your posts are...
1) A reaction to some mistaken inference.
2) Or continuing the anti-USA pro-Russia tirade.
3) Or attempting to justify making repetitive posts
to demonize conservatives. It's a refusal to face
any sins on the liberal side. IOW, if one can't
win a particular argument, introduce a red herring,
ie, whataboutism.

My reasoning is that one side, the GOP, is indeed far worse than the Democratic Party, so talking about them as if they were similarly bad is a false equivalence.

As for your second point, that's a straw man of my position, which is not "pro-Russia." When I say that both X and Y have an awful record, this doesn't mean I'm pro-X or pro-Y. It means what it says on the tin: both have an awful record.

The third point is irrelevant here: I'm talking about a political party's agenda, while you seem to be talking about conservative individuals. Apples and oranges.

 

[Secret Chief]

Does that include persistently painting socialism as 100% equal to communism and only pulling illustrations of specific hardships under communism to broad-brush demonize the entire left-wing theory?

Yes.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's ignoring reality and various news events.

This is typical....you believe that your view of
current events is The Truth, & therefore any
who disagree are just wrong.

False equivalency is real and to ignore it is to make Ilhan Omar's situation the same as someone who is openly racist....

It's typical in tribal politics to see evil on the other
side, while excusing any wrongs on your own.
You're easily & vocally offended by mischief on
the right, but forgiving or even unaware of wrongs
on your side.
So how do you & your side react to any criticism,
in unison, it's chanting "False equivalency!"

 

[Revoltingest]

So you're absolved of this behavior...

You don't directly respond to my posts about
issues & policies. Instead, you snipe about
your impressions & inferences. This is lame.
As with other lefties, there is no tolerance of
criticism...no acknowledgement of having
some faults in common...no self criticism.
Just blind tribal unity in sanctimony.

 

[Debater Slayer]

This is typical....you believe that your view of
current events is The Truth, & therefore any
who disagree are just wrong.

Sometimes this is exactly the case. Look at Republican attempts to overturn same-sex marriage and tell me whether there's any way for a government official to agree with that without being wrong and complicit in harming millions of people.

 

[Debater Slayer]

As with other lefties, there is no tolerance of
criticism...no acknowledgement of having
some faults in common...no self criticism.
Just blind tribal unity in sanctimony.

So, the OP included this:

I see many highly partisan threads about news of this
or that person doing something heinous, & demonizing
an entire group with a worst case inference about them.

And then four pages in, you're accusing "other lefties" of "blind tribal unity in sanctimony."