Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[ElishaElijah]

No, that only says that you may have been on a downward spiral. It does not say that about society at all.

It says I was, but not anymore. Are you saying society is on a upward moral trend now, we are getting more pure? I’m sure millions will protest over Roe v Wade ruling, just the thought of not being able to kill your baby even up to birth is too much to bear.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It supports my view as I said, you know the Bible so show me verses that contradict those and will look at them. Go for my student.

So what? I could abuse the Bible in the same way in regards to you. Unfortunately for you your Bible is a lying source if you take it literally. If you don't want to call your God a liar, as you constantly do, it is best to make try to understand the good teachings of the Bible. I doubt if you will ever be able to do that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It says I was, but not anymore. Are you saying society is on a upward moral trend now, we are getting more pure?

No, once again that is only your misinterpretation.

And what do you mean by "pure". That is a emotionally laden worthless term if there ever was one.

 

[PruePhillip]

Child abuse always existed. And "reports of child porn" does not even mean that it exists. It only means that someone saw something that offended them. It appears that you are all excited about a lot of nothing.

Hysteria is not evidence. Projection is not evidence.

Agreed, hysteria and projection are not evidence.
However, I did neither.
Shouldn't be an argument, really. Enough Is Enough: Sexual Predators/exploitation /child pornography

• 2020 was a record-breaking year, with more than 21.7 million reports of suspected child sexual exploitation made to NCMEC’s CyberTipline. This marks the highest number of reports ever received in one year – a 28% increase over 2019 – and a disturbing 97.5% increase in online enticement reports alone. (NCMEC, Rise in Online Enticement and Other Trends: NCMEC Releases 2020 Exploitation Stats, Feb. 24, 2021)

1. In 1998, there were over 3,000 reports of child sexual abuse imagery.
2. Just over a decade later, yearly reports soared past 100,000.
3. In 2014, that number surpassed 1 million for the first time.
4. Last year, there were 18.4 million, more than one-third of the total ever reported.
5. Despite landmark legislation past in 2008 to reign in the scourge (which has gone largely underfunded)the explosion in detected content kept growing — exponentially. (New York Times, Sept. 30, 2019)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Agreed, hysteria and projection are not evidence.
However, I did neither.
Shouldn't be an argument, really. Enough Is Enough: Sexual Predators/exploitation /child pornography

• 2020 was a record-breaking year, with more than 21.7 million reports of suspected child sexual exploitation made to NCMEC’s CyberTipline. This marks the highest number of reports ever received in one year – a 28% increase over 2019 – and a disturbing 97.5% increase in online enticement reports alone. (NCMEC, Rise in Online Enticement and Other Trends: NCMEC Releases 2020 Exploitation Stats, Feb. 24, 2021)

1. In 1998, there were over 3,000 reports of child sexual abuse imagery.
2. Just over a decade later, yearly reports soared past 100,000.
3. In 2014, that number surpassed 1 million for the first time.
4. Last year, there were 18.4 million, more than one-third of the total ever reported.
5. Despite landmark legislation past in 2008 to reign in the scourge (which has gone largely underfunded)the explosion in detected content kept growing — exponentially. (New York Times, Sept. 30, 2019)

Actually I see quite a bit of hysteria. Why couldn't you find a valid source?

Too bad that neither you nor your source understand statistics.

 

[PruePhillip]

No, that only says that you may have been on a downward spiral. It does not say that about society at all.

And one fact that @PruePhillip hates is that statistics disagree with him. Society, overall, is better than it has been in the past.

You need to qualify what you mean by society is better than in the past
I sleep on an inner spring mattress - not even the emperor of Rome or China had one of these.
But I know of no society which faced such family breakdowns as mine, or child porn, or drugs, or the collapse of social capitol etc.. We are comparing apples to oranges here.

 

[PruePhillip]

Actually I see quite a bit of hysteria. Why couldn't you find a valid source?

Attacking the source - it's almost a logic fallacy

This is 2019 The Internet Is Overrun With Images of Child Sexual Abuse. What Went Wrong? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
It reports, in a more graphic way, the same stats.
Last year, tech companies reported over 45 million online photos and videos of children being sexually abused — more than double what they found the previous year.

Was this true? Would we have reached 100 million by 2022 ? I don't the time to Google this, and if I did you would ignore it, or question the sources again.
Yes, child porn will soon be mainstream simply because it can't be stopped.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You need to qualify what you mean by society is better than in the past
I sleep on an inner spring mattress - not even the emperor of Rome or China had one of these.
But I know of no society which faced such family breakdowns as mine, or child porn, or drugs, or the collapse of social capitol etc.. We are comparing apples to oranges here.

LOL! Try asking again without the hysteria and bogus claims and I will do so for you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Attacking the source - it's almost a logic fallacy

This is 2019 The Internet Is Overrun With Images of Child Sexual Abuse. What Went Wrong? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
It reports, in a more graphic way, the same stats.
Last year, tech companies reported over 45 million online photos and videos of children being sexually abused — more than double what they found the previous year.

Was this true? Would we have reached 100 million by 2022 ? I don't the time to Google this, and if I did you would ignore it, or question the sources again.
Yes, child porn will soon be mainstream simply because it can't be stopped.

No, attacking a bogus source is not a fallacy. It is a fact when you use a bogus source that you did not make your case. It would only be a fallacy if I had claimed that there was no child porn. I did not do that. You only failed to show that child porn is the problem that you claimed it to be.

 

[ElishaElijah]

His question makes sense. It may be cognitive dissonance raising its head in you again.

Like I said you both think similar which is now way different than I think so no the question is similar to a false dichotomy question to me. If you can’t understand where I’m coming from after all the replies then let it go brother. Maybe sing the let it go song or something if you need that

 

[PruePhillip]

No, attacking a bogus source is not a fallacy. It is a fact when you use a bogus source that you did not make your case. It would only be a fallacy if I had claimed that there was no child porn. I did not do that. You only failed to show that child porn is the problem that you claimed it to be.

Odd that the New York Times would quote from the same source too.
Frankly, this business of child porn is another example of where our society is going.
There are people who despise the values of biblical societies (hard to define or course) with barbs about mysogany, slavery etc.. Well what will our own society be known for?
I suggest ---- in a 100 years or so people will look back and call these a more 'innocent' age.

 

[PruePhillip]

LOL! Try asking again without the hysteria and bogus claims and I will do so for you.

You think back in the days when people slept on straw bales and had dirt floors there was a flood of child porn, kids without fathers and a loss of social capital ??
No, that's a peculiarly 20th - 21st Century phenomena.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like I said you both think similar which is now way different than I think so no the question is similar to a false dichotomy question to me. If you can’t understand where I’m coming from after all the replies then let it go brother. Maybe sing the let it go song or something if you need that

How so? I think that you are merely parroting a term that you do not understand. What was the false dichotomy?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You think back in the days when people slept on straw bales and had dirt floors there was a flood of child porn, kids without fathers and a loss of social capital ??
No, that's a peculiarly 20th - 21st Century phenomena.

Please try to pay attention. I said that child abuse was always a problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Odd that the New York Times would quote from the same source too.
Frankly, this business of child porn is another example of where our society is going.
There are people who despise the values of biblical societies (hard to define or course) with barbs about mysogany, slavery etc.. Well what will our own society be known for?
I suggest ---- in a 100 years or so people will look back and call these a more 'innocent' age.

That was more of an opinion piece too. But yes, they made the same foolish mistakes.

 

[ElishaElijah]

How so? I think that you are merely parroting a term that you do not understand. What was the false dichotomy?

That’s what I said that and now what? You’re going to argue about that too? Let’s talk about lightning…no better not

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s what I said that and now what? You’re going to argue about that too? Let’s talk about lightning…no better not

That is a dodge on your part. You claimed "false dichotomy". What was the false dichotomy?

 

[PruePhillip]

That was more of an opinion piece too. But yes, they made the same foolish mistakes.

Do you have counter stats?

 

[PruePhillip]

Please try to pay attention. I said that child abuse was always a problem.

And prostitution was always a problem, so too gambling, so too pornography, so too 'drugs' etc..
What is DIFFERENT is the SHEER SCALE of it today. These things are becoming mainstream.
I believe pornography is now considered 'mainstream' since the time of Something About Mary was released.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you have counter stats?

Why would I need them? They do not support you.

Once again, you do not understand how to use statistics properly. Neither do either of your sources. Do you know that I can use the same sort of bad statistics to "prove" that autism has increased terribly? Heck, it there were not any cases of it in the 19th century.

Bad statistics do not prove anything except for the hysteria of people relying on them.