Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[Sheldon]

I see America coming apart at the seams, and I blame it on the 'cultural war' that the Left has declared on the Right.

Of course you do, because your views are manifestly extreme right wing views. Which is why you don't offer cogent objections or arguments, but rather sweeping negative stereotypes and sweeping rhetoric that lumps perfectly harmless behaviours with egregious crimes, and then assigns them all to "the left".

 

[Sheldon]

Define 'rant' please.

You can Google it yourself.

 

[Sheldon]

Seeing the Right lose on a social issue like gay liberation, to the point where the Right accepts the whole gambit of gay claims, simply means the Left will shift the argument to another issue, ie Trans. And upping the ante.

This is just a slippery slope fallacy, and can you explain why gay people should not have the same rights as straight people? As far as possible why shouldn't trans people be treated equally? Why do human rights like equality hinge on the political spectrum at all, let alone be arbitrarily assumed to be the domain of left or right?

So there's little chance these cultural wars will ever end, only get more extreme.

Again why should gay and trans people not have equal rights, as far is practically possible?

I read that some American schools have books on boys having fellatio on men - when I was growing up 'sex education' was about fallopian tubes, chromosomes, wombs and the like.

So what? Proper and frank sex education has been demonstrated to help drastically reduce the transference of STD's, and of course drastically reduce unwanted pregnancies, which would drastically reduce abortion rates as well. I thought you were in favour of reducing abortions, how about reducing STD's, don't you think this would be a good thing?

 

[Sheldon]

Are you ok?

Hyperbole, the phrase cultural Marxism is the latest extreme right wing rhetoric in the states being used to attack anyone or anything they don't like, I don't see any credible or cogent evidence it exists, it's also anti-Semitic, and of course is more about extremists not getting their own way, and trying to play the victim as a result. The castration reference I'm guessing is about gender reassignment surgery, but don't expect any cogent or balanced examination of it, just this kind of blanket extremist rhetoric. FWIW, I'd be extremely worried that an child would get irreversible re-assignment surgery, but unlike @PruePhillip I am not using it as a stick to beat trans people with.

 

[Sheldon]

Pederasty is slowly arriving. I mentioned above teaching boys about boy to man fellatio - that's in some American school library books now.

Lets see some solid objective evidence that schoolbooks are advocating child abuse please, as I don't believe you. However if they are, then this would clearly be illegal, so I'm doubly dubious that this latest histrionics is true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lets see some solid objective evidence that schoolbooks are advocating child abuse please, as I don't believe you. However if they are, then this would clearly be illegal, so I'm doubly dubious that this latest histrionics is true.

It all depends upon how one defines terms. Now this is a case where dictionaries can be helpful. I think @PruePhillip has her own special definition:

 

[PruePhillip]

Lets see some solid objective evidence that schoolbooks are advocating child abuse please, as I don't believe you. However if they are, then this would clearly be illegal, so I'm doubly dubious that this latest histrionics is true.

It all depends upon how one defines terms. Now this is a case where dictionaries can be helpful. I think @PruePhillip has her own special definition:

Read an article Fairfax County School Virginia had a row over having a book in its library with a boy performing fellatio on an adult male. Think Texas had the problem too. 'Lawn Boy' was the name of one of them. Schools have banned Dr Seus books. Google it if you wish - I am telling you what I read, and lots of my material is not on-line as I subscribe to various newspapers and magazines, or see it on TV... whatever.

 

[PruePhillip]

This is just a slippery slope fallacy, and can you explain why gay people should not have the same rights as straight people? As far as possible why shouldn't trans people be treated equally? Why do human rights like equality hinge on the political spectrum at all, let alone be arbitrarily assumed to be the domain of left or right?



Again why should gay and trans people not have equal rights, as far is practically possible?



So what? Proper and frank sex education has been demonstrated to help drastically reduce the transference of STD's, and of course drastically reduce unwanted pregnancies, which would drastically reduce abortion rates as well. I thought you were in favour of reducing abortions, how about reducing STD's, don't you think this would be a good thing?

Let's get one thing straight, SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY FALLACIES, PARTICULARLY WITH SOCIAL MOVEMENTS.
Indeed, slippery slopes are the modus operandi of the neo Marxists. Lennin spoke about this in his famous book, 'What is to be done?" with the capture of organizations and social movements.
In Australia the slippery slope was the 'Decriminalize Gays' movement. Various gay groups declared in the media they want nothing more than to be 'left alone' and have no agenda like gay marriage or promoting homosexuality. Slipperly slopes apply to the promise that euthenasia involves only people with insufferable pain and a short while to live - never to applying it to suicide cases. Same with feminist promises, trans promises, welfare provisions etc..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Read an article Fairfax County School Virginia had a row over having a book in its library with a boy performing fellatio on an adult male. Think Texas had the problem too. 'Lawn Boy' was the name of one of them. Schools have banned Dr Seus books. Google it if you wish - I am telling you what I read, and lots of my material is not on-line as I subscribe to various newspapers and magazines, or see it on TV... whatever.

No, I had to check it out, the book does not describe him performing fellatio on an adult male. It describes the author as a fourth grader and another fourth grader messing around. It is not even vey explicit. Just a bunch of Mrs. Grundy's getting their panties in a knot. I am betting that there are other books describing straight encounters that are not that much different. What bothers people is that it depicts homosexual sex.

In fact here is link to a typical Grundy that shoots down his or her own argument by quoting from the book:

“Lawn Boy” IS pedophilic. Here’s why. (Explicit)

Here is an expurgated quote from it:

"“What if I told you I touched another guy’s richard?” I said. … “What if I told you I (hmm let me think) 'treated it like a straw' it?” … “I was ten years old, but it’s true. I put Doug Goble’s richard in my mouth.” "

That's it. It does not describe an act of pedophilia it describes to 4th graders getting a bit jiggy. Face it, it is the homosexual nature that is so irritating.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's get one thing straight, SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY FALLACIES, PARTICULARLY WITH SOCIAL MOVEMENTS.
Indeed, slippery slopes are the modus operandi of the neo Marxists. Lennin spoke about this in his famous book, 'What is to be done?" with the capture of organizations and social movements.
In Australia the slippery slope was the 'Decriminalize Gays' movement. Various gay groups declared in the media they want nothing more than to be 'left alone' and have no agenda like gay marriage or promoting homosexuality. Slipperly slopes apply to the promise that euthenasia involves only people with insufferable pain and a short while to live - never to applying it to suicide cases. Same with feminist promises, trans promises, welfare provisions etc..

Some gay people may just want to be left alone. Some gay people want to get married. Not all gay people are the same. There is no "Gay Handbook".

Can you tell my why you are against marriage equality?

 

[PruePhillip]

Some gay people may just want to be left alone. Some gay people want to get married. Not all gay people are the same. There is no "Gay Handbook".

Can you tell my why you are against marriage equality?

Can an adult man marry a 12 year old boy plus a 12 year old girl at the same time for just a weekend marriage?
Can a man have five wives as part of 'marriage equality'?

What exactly is 'marriage equality' to you? Methinks it's whatever you want it to mean.

 

[PruePhillip]

So what? Proper and frank sex education has been demonstrated to help drastically reduce the transference of STD's, and of course drastically reduce unwanted pregnancies, which would drastically reduce abortion rates as well. I thought you were in favour of reducing abortions, how about reducing STD's, don't you think this would be a good thing?

Can boys get STD from giving head to an adult male? It should be discussed in class. Any age limit? How about 18 yo? But why stop there, shouldn't ALL boys know this, in case the issue arrises? Let's say 5 yo. 'Now children, I want to discuss what fellatio means, with the view to asking can you get STD from doing this. You see, STD is BAD.' What is happening in this conversation? At least three things
1 - normalizing what was considered immoral - pedophilia
2 - taking education out of the hands of parents
3 - sticking the finger up at religious and conservative sensibilities as a moral and political statement

 

[PruePhillip]

Of course you do, because your views are manifestly extreme right wing views. Which is why you don't offer cogent objections or arguments, but rather sweeping negative stereotypes and sweeping rhetoric that lumps perfectly harmless behaviours with egregious crimes, and then assigns them all to "the left".

Many 'harmless' ideologies come from Marxism to Cultural Marxism via people like Gramski and the Frankfurt school of thought. This includes Wokeness today with its oppressed and oppressor narratives. Google Theodor Adorno and his notorious book The Authoratarian Personality - he said that 'tolerance' in the traditional sense actually serves to help oppression - and must be stopped. 'Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements of the Right and tolerance of movements from the Left.'
I like how Jordan Peterson put it, issues like gender 'are just the side show' to this philosophy.

 

[KWED]

Can an adult man marry a 12 year old boy plus a 12 year old girl at the same time for just a weekend marriage?
Can a man have five wives as part of 'marriage equality'?

What exactly is 'marriage equality' to you? Methinks it's whatever you want it to mean.

Seriously, if you need to talk, I'm here for you.

 

[PruePhillip]

Seriously, if you need to talk, I'm here for you.

'Marriage Equality', what then is it if not to marry who you want for how long you want?
Or, is 'marriage equality' just for the current set of rules, ie heterosexual or homosexual, with liberal divorce.
Should I demand to marry a man and a woman simultaneously - is that not equality too?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Actually they do.

I'm gonna need some evidence of trans people castrating 12 year old boys and cutting the breasts off 14 year old girls," if you think "trans people" are doing this to anyone.

Just, right now, watched a video about a woman called Dr. Forcier who is an abortionist and a 'gender affirming pediatrician.'

This Dr. Forcier?

"Michelle Forcier, MD, MPH has been in Rhode Island and since 2009. She is a Professor of Pediatrics, Assistant Dean of Medicine (Admissions ) at The Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University. Dr. Forcier specializes in gender, sexual and reproductive health. She provides consultation services in advanced contraception and family planning, sexually transmitted disease care, puberty and menstrual issues, and a variety of gender affirming hormones and care plans."
Forcier, Michelle

She's in the business of changing sex for children from the age of 3.

Sounds like she's in the business of being a doctor.

Is she a trans person? Because your claim was that trans people are castrating 12 year old boys and cutting the breasts off 14 year old girls.

One of many. She won't allow her views to be challenged, likes to walk off the stage when they are, as if the people who challenge are beneath her.
This is typical of Woke, you don't 'agree' with their pronoun demands or breast removals or whatever this year's trend is - you submit.

Wait a minute ... you're talking about that Matt Walsh documentary aren't you? What is a Woman, or something? What trash.

If that is what you're referring to, you got the whole "castrating 12 year old boys and cutting off 14 year old breasts" wrong too. What she apparently says in the film is:
"That could be a kiddo who is just starting puberty and they're panicking because they're just getting breast buds, or their penis is getting bigger and busier and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes,' the doctor said.

That is when she says doctors can safely prescribe puberty blockers, claiming they are 'completely reversible' and 'don't have permanent effects.

'[They are] wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty, just like you're listening to music.

'You put the pause on and puberty would go right back to where it was, the next note in the song, just delay that period of time.' "
Pediatrician says prepubescent kids are ready for HRT 'when they ask for it' in new documentary | Daily Mail Online

That doesn't sound to me like she's "castrating 14 year old boys and cutting off 14 year old's breasts to me. Does it to you?

Apparently she walked out of the interview when she realized the interviewer was a right-wing nut bag with an agenda calling him "exploitive" and "malignant and harmful." Which he is, imo.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You know, this is what I would LOVE to see - activists barge into the board room (as they do - the world is theirs) of a large corporation of white cis males and DEMAND that the 'glass ceiling' be abolished so that women and 'colored people' are represented on the board. 'No worries' says the savvy CEO - come back this afternoon and it will be all sorted out.'
And that afternoon the triumphant, slightly surprised Woke Social Activist Warriors turn up at the board room. And there are the same cis white fascist Capitalist pigs they saw earlier. "Where are the women and the colored people?' they ask. The CEO, beaming, introduces his team - some are now 'women' and some are now 'colored' and one board member, in his sixties, is now a 21 year old trans Muslim, black and handicapped board member. But at 5 pm they will revert back to their former identities.

Well, my USA family back in the 1800's would have supported the KKK - they were ardent supporters of the south, strong Democrats who to this day hate Lincoln, and probably would have been at home with segregation and the like.
Yes, you could find Proud Boys pictures (I don't even know who they are...) but go to any campus, almost to any protests and you will see angry people, raging about things they invented themselves. Did you know that Global Freezing is caused by Capitalism, coporativism, America and greed? That was the late '70's after the rage of Vietnam was over. And did know that Global Warming is caused by Capitalism, coporativism, America and greed? Woman not having their own sports? That's a rage too - and now, woman wanting to freeze 'trans' men from taking over their sport? That's a rage too.
There's nothing proud about the American left. They hate tradition, history, private ownership, Capitalism, nationalism, police, business, the flag, the family, children.... and this is where the bulk of hate comes from in American politics. The rest is just reaction...

Sounds like you need to lay off the right-wing conspiracy hate sites. Seriously.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Did a pretty good job of burning the place down, didn't they?

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how much damage do these proud boys do?

Please tell me you don't get your information from internet memes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How many Republican supporting professors will you get on your average American campus in the humaties now?
Back in the '40's and '50's there was a reasonable balance. In some campuses now it's 100% Democrat, Green, Socialist, neo-Marxist.
And these people are churning out more of the same. That's why kids are going to be watching Disney cartoons about tampons, and men tampons too - indoctrination is going way beyond the campus.
Tell me how conservative values are expanding and being promoted in unis, the media etc.?

I'm still wondering what is so terrible about tampons.

 

[Sheldon]

'Marriage Equality', what then is it if not to marry who you want for how long you want?
Or, is 'marriage equality' just for the current set of rules, ie heterosexual or homosexual, with liberal divorce.
Should I demand to marry a man and a woman simultaneously - is that not equality too?

Why are you against polygamy, what in your opinion is harming anyone if consenting adults choose to live in polyamorous relationships?