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Dozens arrested in third night of protest

Should police officers be prohibited from making frivolous traffic stops?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • No

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • It depends

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Total voters
    18

We Never Know

No Slack
The poll is problematic because a "frivolous stop" is not explained. Was the stop in Brooklyn Center frivolous? No, an expired tag is not a frivolous stop. And traffic stops are how quite a few dangerous criminals are arrested. Felons that do not respect the laws when it involves other people are also much less likely to obey traffic laws. A person on the run is not apt to go to his regular known haunts. Daunte appears to have been on the run from the law. If one eliminates such stops it will be only that much harder for justice to be served.
I agree. Plus issuing tickets by mail then requires a fine to be paid by mail or a court appearance. If the defendant doesn't comply to either a warrant will be issued. Then what? Send them another letter.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
The main duty of police are to enforce the laws. Common duties of police include controlling traffic, patrolling neighborhoods, responding to emergency calls, writing citations, delivering warrants, arresting violators and submitting incident reports in a timely manner.

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However the do not have to protect anyone that isn't in their custody.

"Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution."

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out."

Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again | Ryan McMaken
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My dear R F comrades, please meet a police robot, the future of. traffic law enforcement.

That could be the future. I liked the built in spike strip. Perhaps today's cops should automatically put a spike strip in front of the tires of cars that they pull over. That would end a lot of people trying to do what Daunte tried to do. He tried to run after he was caught. If you knew that your tires would get spiked and would go flat one would be much less likely to run and any chases would be rather short.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd like robotic traffic enforcers to identify traffic violaters to whom unarmed robocops would issue traffic citations. Imo, there should be no interaction between systemically racist white privileged human police officers and traffic violaters.
Such enforcement is essentially a revenue generating scam.
Tactical emplacement to maximize fines , vauge signage, among other issues with automated systems.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This wouldn't be happening if the US had sensible gun control.

We have corrupt/useless policemen/women in the UK but nowhere near the number of deaths
That's because most are not armed with pistols.

Still it would be beneficial to try out unarmed police in the states.
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Getting a ticket by mail then requires a fine to be paid by mail or a court appearance. If the defendant doesn't comply to either a warrant will be issued. Then what?

Well, the same exact thing if someone had refused to pay the ticket after having it given by an officer in person. Not sure what difference the mode of initial delivery makes.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A little over a year ago, I was driving with plates that had been expired for three years and I did not know it because I rarely ever drove that car and I had lost track.... You cannot even imagine the look in my face when the officer told me how long they had been expired, but apparently he believed my story, which was true, that I never drive the car, because there was so much moss all over it you could not even see the color of the paint! That was a very nice officer because he could have given me a huge fine, but instead he gave me the minimum fine which was about 136. and that was less than if I had I renewed my plates for all those three years. However, it was not really my fault, as the DMV made an error and I never got a renewal in the mail since they sent it to the wrong address. I figured that out later but I was not going to contest the ticket because I was lucky I got off that easy.
My former (very former) computer hardware service guy
got pulled over in Utah for having no front plate. (MI doesn't
have front plates.) It turns out that he had chopped up
people in his trunk. That was the tip of the iceberg....it turned
out that he's a serial killer.
So while I oppose stopping without good reason, it is a useful
opportunity to discover other crimes, eg, outstanding warrants,
murder victims.
BTW, he's now in prison for life (one escape attempt a few years
ago notwithstanding).
 

Suave

Simulated character
Such enforcement is essentially a revenue generating scam.
Tactical emplacement to maximize fines , vauge signage, among other issues with automated systems.
I am guessing the cost of a robotic police officer is around $150,000 in addition to the cost of its human companion supporting police officer. Traffic fines might have to be doubled in order to fund such an elaborate policing scheme. However, if each robotic cop on average during its service career saves just one human life from being severely injured or killed during a dangerous traffic stop, then I would be more than happy to pay twice as much as I would now for getting a traffic citation.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's news that always sells.
Listening to NPR today, I heard all about how only blacks are
being killed by cops, that they're "summary executions", &
more of this leftish dishonest garbage to inflame racial hostilities.

Twice as many whites are shot by cops. It doesn't ever make
major news or cause demonstrations. If black deaths were
reduced to the rate of white victims, that would still be horrible.
But worse than that...it underestimates the danger cops pose.
It's a problem for all of us...especially men (95% of the victims).
 
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