Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[Skwim]

Back me up here guys (and gals and those of you somewhere between) what the guy is saying (See post #52) doesn't even make sense in English, correct?
@Skwim @Sapiens @LuisDantas @Rick O'Shez @Revoltingest

Beyond belief.

 

[Parsimony]

No , I am taking in general about atheism beliefs.

And belief in a round world is indeed a belief held by atheists.

 

[Revoltingest]

Back me up here guys (and gals and those of you somewhere between) what the guy is saying (See post #52) doesn't even make sense in English, correct?
@Skwim @Sapiens @LuisDantas @Rick O'Shez @Revoltingest

So much to disagree with.
Let's just say that my perspective is so different that it's too much work to criticize it.
The scientific approach differs just too much with the faith based one.
We do have one thing in common though, ie, using words to say things.

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry I meant evolution .
Evolution theory is what most atheists believe in, is not ?

They believe in natural selection and randomness .

Well, sure. There is no reason not to accept what was learned about biology.

But even that is at best of slight correlation to atheism proper. It is not like anyone has to disbelieve God to accept evolution.

 

[LuisDantas]

Then you have your decision, why you discuss religion while you don't need it or even think about it,
is it kind of wasting your time.

Atheism by no means excludes religion itself, let alone legitimate interest in discussing it.

You should not confuse belief in God with religion or its requisites. It is an oddity of Islam and a very few other beliefs that they presume belief in God to be necessary. It never was, and never will be.

Which is wrong the cell world or clever?

YmirGF's transcription (thanks, pal! I feel your pain) made it clearer. To the extent that the provided English translation of the speech even has some meaning, it is the vaguest, most feeble of appeals for belief in the supernatural. And even that interpretation involves a lot of help in the form of wishful thinking.

I painstaking transcribed this drivel to make the point. I sure hope his talk makes far more sense in Arabic than it does in English.

You and me both, brother.

His pathetic argument doesn't even hold in English.

So true. It barely has some obedience to grammar. Meaning is entirely off the table.

That said, most scientists I've run into don't lose any sleep over what philosophers have to say. I can't even name too many people who overly care what philosophers have to say anymore. It's sort of a dying art-form. I may have missed the first bit, but after awhile I had to type it out just to grasp what this moron was trying to say. I can't say it was worth the effort.

So true.

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That's it. What a steaming pile of codswallop. It this is what some Muslims think are brilliant thinking, then Muslims and Islam is doomed.

Indeed. No wonder the formerly great Islamic World has been so lacking in inovation and discovery, if this sample is at all representative.

No , I am taking in general about atheism beliefs.

Evolution is not even an atheistic belief.

In fact, there are barely any atheistic beliefs beyond "there are no deities". I guess you could extend that to "there is no creator God", but of course that is just a particular case of the previous.

Back me up here guys (and gals and those of you somewhere between) what the guy is saying (See post #52) doesn't even make sense in English, correct?

It makes sense, you chose to be an atheist and you believed it to be the right way.
Are you sure 100% that your decision is the right choice?
Are you sure 100% that there's no God?
Are you sure 100% that there's no afterlife?
If you're 100% sure then yes, you aren't living in delusion but you're sure of what you're doing.

We do not choose to be atheists. We choose not to lie to ourselves.

 

[LuisDantas]

For who don't understand his points of course , it's does not make sense .

"Give it a name" is fact .

Not knowing how (or if) existence had an origin and giving it a name of "creator God" is a fact. I don't think it is an explanation or cause, just a name that attempts to make do for both.

But somehow I don't think that is what he is warning us against. But I will be darned if I can make much clear sense of what he is saying.

 

[YmirGF]

It makes sense, you chose to be an atheist and you believed it to be the right way.

Indeed, FearGod, in my case it was a year or two after I had had visitations with Vishnu. You, and to be fair, most folks, cannot imagine what I saw in those massive eyes. I struggle with the limitations of language here, but you could say that those eyes beckoned me to go even further. Beyond God. I've never looked back.

Are you sure 100% that your decision is the right choice?

100%

Are you sure 100% that there's no God?

100%

Are you sure 100% that there's no afterlife?

I do believe in an afterlife, having been there, I can say it's nothing like you imagine. You will love it though.

If you're 100% sure then yes, you aren't living in delusion but you're sure of what you're doing.

100%

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's translated , Dr Adnan loaded interesting points , so I ask him to discuss that points .

Eyes can read text , or subtitle , I guess ?

Well, if you think that a video is a substitute for an argument, here's your response to the video you posted:

Do you have any objections to this refutation of the arguments from your video? Please be specific.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You have your decision without even watching the video, that's great

Watching a video on my cell phone costs me money. I'm not going to do it without good reason.

... but now that I'm back at home on my WiFi, I watched the video and found a video of my own that responds to the points raised in the OP's video:

What do you think of the refutation? I trust that you won't make your decision without watching the video, will you?

 

[FearGod]

Atheism by no means excludes religion itself, let alone legitimate interest in discussing it.

You should not confuse belief in God with religion or its requisites. It is an oddity of Islam and a very few other beliefs that they presume belief in God to be necessary. It never was, and never will be.

If one doesn't believe in God and decided to live his own life away of religion and away from God then why he needs to waste his
time discussing religion while he doesn't need religion, like someone discussing science while he hate science, then why the
interest to discuss science while not liking it.

YmirGF's transcription (thanks, pal! I feel your pain) made it clearer. To the extent that the provided English translation of the speech even has some meaning, it is the vaguest, most feeble of appeals for belief in the supernatural. And even that interpretation involves a lot of help in the form of wishful thinking.

You said that Dr. Adnan said "the world of cell" which you think of it as a big mistake of his and that's the only point that you offered for
discussion against his ideas, waiting if you can fetch for a serious one to discuss.

The following educational video is good for dummies and for kids as well.

 

[psychoslice]

And belief in a round world is indeed a belief held by atheists.

Oh no, I hope your not one of those flat earth people, for god sake Noooooo.

 

[FearGod]

Watching a video on my cell phone costs me money. I'm not going to do it without good reason.

... but now that I'm back at home on my WiFi, I watched the video and found a video of my own that responds to the points raised in the OP's video:

What do you think of the refutation? I trust that you won't make your decision without watching the video, will you?

You can discuss it in one other thread, this thread to discuss the video of Dr. Adnan Ibrahim.

 

[FearGod]

Indeed, FearGod, in my case it was a year or two after I had had visitations with Vishnu. You, and to be fair, most folks, cannot imagine what I saw in those massive eyes. I struggle with the limitations of language here, but you could say that those eyes beckoned me to go even further. Beyond God. I've never looked back.
100%
100%
I do believe in an afterlife, having been there, I can say it's nothing like you imagine. You will love it though.
100%

As you're sure 100% that there's no God and there's no afterlife then what evidences you got that makes you 100% sure?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

...codswallop. It this is what some Muslims think are brilliant thinking, then Muslims and Islam is doomed.

I share your pain, brother. I shall say a prayer to Saint Dawkins for you.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

As you're sure 100% that there's no God and there's no afterlife then what evidences you got that makes you 100% sure?

I am only 99% sure.

 

[FearGod]

I am only 99% sure.

Which is a delusion, i may say I'm 99% sure that God exists, it goes either way.

 

[LuisDantas]

If one doesn't believe in God and decided to live his own life away of religion and away from God then why he needs to waste his
time discussing religion while he doesn't need religion, like someone discussing science while he hate science, then why the
interest to discuss science while not liking it.

You do not seem to have understood a word of what you have replied to above.

I have just told you that such is not the case. Religion never demanded belief in God, which is not particularly worth pursuing in the first place.

Religion can be very worthwhile. And if it could not, that would be all the more reason to discuss it.

But you don't understand either atheism nor non-Abrahamic religion, now do you? You seem to doubt that either can exist honestly in the first place.

Sometimes I don't know why I waste my efforts.

You said that Dr. Adnan said "the world of cell" which you think of it as a big mistake of his and that's the only point that you offered for
discussion against his ideas, waiting if you can fetch for a serious one to discuss.

Weren't you paying attention? I told you time and again that I can't. The text is entirely worthless and meaningless.

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Dude, nonsense is nonsense. Can you make any sense of the English translation YmirGF generously transcribed above?

I certainly can't do that to save my life.

Does that make any sense in Arabic? The English is, frankly, hopeless. It looks like child gibberish.

 

[LuisDantas]

Which is a delusion, i may say I'm 99% sure that God exists, it goes either way.

You seem to have failed to grasp that god-belief is a strictly personal thing, not at all a logical matter.

Well, except in the somewhat rare cases when one was a believer and learned better, I suppose.

Do you (or Adnain, for that matter) really expect to convince people out of atheism? That is... odd.

 

[Godobeyer]

Well, if you think that a video is a substitute for an argument, here's your response to the video you posted:

Do you have any objections to this refutation of the arguments from your video? Please be specific.

Unthinking or thinking things can't do anthing without previous insert law and plan. who made the plan of schema ?

5:20
He said "it's probably fair to say it's plain that unthinking things can't move toward a goal love their own,thinking things can" !!!
this is bull****.

because he jumps the first step , who give the ability of thinking, or even creation..

7:20
design is in everything , what seems perfect or not.what designed what is not , is non sense subject !!

7:50 He said "I agree with creation required creator ", then he said , how determined its was designed,"sorry this just insane .

9:12 the complexity but simplicity , even cars can build own by simplicity. ( That's what Adnan Ibrahim called " give it a name " )

10:08 see the different between " bundle sticks , and beaver dam " sound like a crazy exemple to dishonet the point of designer.
it's like someone ask me the different between mirage in street , a water.
the beaver may would not live in bundle sticks.btw

11:53 he said "I find watch in beach , how I determine it's watch ?!!!" this exemple should be take him to madhouse.

15:26 I believe if Cars or PC had minds (intellegence enough), they would tell us that they are designed b . even they don't know human being who did that.


This man who was just came from very very tiny cell come from sprem combined to egg , is argue about design !
Yes, your mom and your dad design you then

15:48 Gravity is someting can't be touch or unseen, but you believe in , so why not God "designer"?

17:47 in Quran its mentioned that God created a similaire to human being before Adam(pbuh).
God created many kind of birds , that does not forcely that all were one.


18:00 Check out Darwin theory :

 

[YmirGF]

As you're sure 100% that there's no God and there's no afterlife then what evidences you got that makes you 100% sure?

I didn't say there is no afterlife, FearGod. I said it is like nothing your can possibly imagine. A small, but important, difference. My evidence? I am!