Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[LuisDantas]

No, i said why some discuss religion while they regard it as nonsense and a myth, IOW why wasting
their time for nonsense.

The video is not at all a discussion of religion. It takes a not-inconsiderable expense of good will to even consider it a discussion of a point of faith of a specific creed.

It is nonsense, unlike religion proper.

I have a lot of respect for religion, but considerably less so for attempts to treat atheism as something that needs moral justification.

Displays of lack of basic understanding of the proper role of deities in religious doctrine and practice, such as expectations that they should be believed in and even presented as demonstrable facts for nonbelievers, are even less worthy. In that respect Islam (and Christianity) have a whole lot to learn from the Dharmic faiths, paganism - actually, from most other religions really, including Judaism but excepting the Bahai Faith.

Religion is not about god and it just doesn't work very well when people fail to notice that.

 

[FearGod]

Do you truly perceive rejection of meaningless nonsense as a moral flaw?!?

Really, are you pretending to lack understanding and you're a mod.
I said in one post that loonies and children are exempted from being questioned(according to my religion)
and he used my words to say that I'm exempted, not strange, the insincerity is normal for some.

 

[LuisDantas]

Really, are you pretending to lack understanding and you're a mod.
I said in one post that loonies and children are exempted from being questioned(according to my religion)
and he used my words to say that I'm exempted, not strange, the insincerity is normal for some.

I pretend nothing. I am doing my best to make sense of what you say.

 

[FearGod]

The video is not at all a discussion of religion. It takes a not-inconsiderable expense of good will to even consider it a discussion of a point of faith of a specific creed.

It is nonsense, unlike religion proper.

I have a lot respect for religion, but considerably less so for attempts to treat atheism as something that needs moral justification.

Displays of lack of basic understanding of the proper role of deities in religious doctrine and practice, such as expectations that they should be believed in and even presented as demonstrable facts for nonbelievers, are even less worthy. In that respect Islam (and Christianity) have a whole lot to learn from the Dharmic faiths.

Why you're so much annoyed with this video? it's nonsense for you, so what.
Should we follow you, we know your opinion, so what do you want?

 

[LuisDantas]

Why you're so much annoyed with this video? it's nonsense for you, so what.
Should we follow you, we know your opinion, so what do you want?

Am I expected to be so callous as not to mind that people mistake nonsense for valid arguments about matters that are obviously of significance to them?

 

[FearGod]

I pretend nothing. I am doing my best to make sense of what you say.

Hope that you be a sincere gentleman regardless of what your belief is, religion isn't to divide us, you're free for
what you want to believe as I'm.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hope that you be a sincere gentleman regardless of what your belief is, religion isn't to divide us, you're free for
what you want to believe as I'm.

Except that our beliefs shape our behavior. There is very much a responsibility of belief.

 

[FearGod]

Am I expected to be so callous as not to mind that people mistake nonsense for valid arguments about matters that are obviously of significance to them?

People are free for what they want to believe, Hindus don't eat cow meat, for me it's nonsense but i don't
care to discuss their beliefs and to explain to them that it doesn't make sense for prohibiting the cow meat,
I may disagree, but i won't keep on post after post keeping saying that's nonsense.

 

[LuisDantas]

People are free for what they want do believe,

As long as they accept the consequences and take responsibility for those? Sure.

That is why theism can be so dangerous. It is eminently abusable, and far too many people abuse it as a matter of course, even daily.

People actually choose to justify themselves with their belief in God, and that is just insane.

Hindus don't eat cow meat, for me it's nonsense but i don't
care to discuss their beliefs and to explain to them that it doesn't make sense for prohibiting the cow meat,
I may disagree, but i won't keep on post after post keeping saying that's nonsense.

Fine. I expect you to refrain from pushing your god-beliefs on others as well,then.

 

[FearGod]

Except that our beliefs shape our behavior. There is very much a responsibility of belief.

No it doesn't, bad people do exist in all religions and among all the atheists.

 

[LuisDantas]

No it doesn't, bad people do exist in all religions and among all the atheists.

Let's try something. Please use your own words to give me back what I said in the post you just replied to. It is conceivable that we may be facing language trouble.

If you wanted to tell me

Except that our beliefs shape our behavior. There is very much a responsibility of belief.

how would you do it, in your own words? Feel free to add more for context. I want to be sure that you understood what I meant.

 

[FearGod]

As long as they accept the consequences and take responsibility for those? Sure.

That is why theism can be so dangerous. It is eminently abusable, and far too many people abuse it as a matter of course, even daily.

People actually choose to justify themselves with their belief in God, and that is just insane.

Again, religion has nothing to do with people's behavior.


Fine. I expect you to refrain from pushing your god-beliefs on others as well,then.

Pushing !!, did i even mentioned Islam, I'm even choosing "Human" as the title of my religion.
Telling the truth and what's in my mind doesn't mean that I'm pushing you into my religion
and I'm surprised to see time after time that Atheists are more radicals than the religious
people themselves, i don't care about your choices but that doesn't mean I'll stop from telling
what i see as right and what i see as wrong according to my thoughts.

 

[LuisDantas]

I must reinforce my invitation to the exercise in the previous post. You truly seem to be criticizing me (and others) for things that I did not say, and having a somewhat hard time understanding what we do say.

 

[LuisDantas]

Pushing !!, did i even mentioned Islam, I'm even choosing "Human" as the title of my religion.
Telling the truth and what's in my mind doesn't mean that I'm pushing you into my religion
and I'm surprised to see time after time that Atheists are more radicals than the religious
people themselves, i don't care about your choices but that doesn't mean I'll stop from telling
what i see as right and what i see as wrong according to my thoughts.

Then you must accept the responsibility for your judgements - just like anyone else, really.

I can tell you right now that you do not seem to have a good grasp of what you are attempting to criticize. I couldn't wear this shoe if I wanted to. It does not remotely fit.

 

[FearGod]

Let's try something. Please use your own words to give me back what I said in the post you just replied to. It is conceivable that we may be facing language trouble.

If you wanted to tell me

how would you do it, in your own words? Feel free to add more for context. I want to be sure that you understood what I meant.

You said that our beliefs shape our behavior and i tend to disagree with you because regardless of our beliefs good and bad people
do exist in all religions and among those who have no religion(atheists), hope it's clear.

 

[FearGod]

I must reinforce my invitation to the exercise in the previous post. You truly seem to be criticizing me (and others) for things that I did not say, and having a somewhat hard time understanding what we do say.

You said that Dr. Adnan says nonsense, period

 

[LuisDantas]

You said that our beliefs shape our behavior

That is quite correct. I said that and I stand by that.

I expect that most people will agree, regardless of their specific beliefs. It is not a very bold statement at all.

Religious beliefs have consequences and at least arguably meant to have consequences. Aren't they?

and i tend to disagree with you because regardless of our beliefs good and bad people
do exist in all religions and among those who have no religion(atheists),

Atheism is hardly the same as having no religion, for various reasons, but that is perhaps best discussed a bit further down the line.

It is factually true that good and bad people exist across the spectrum of belief stances. But that is not a challenge to my claim that beliefs shape behavior, which did not even specificy moral merit.

hope it's clear.

It helped, and I thank you for the effort. I am all too aware that my ways of expressing myself may be rather uninviting. I consider this post of yours a gesture of good will.

 

[FearGod]

Then you must accept the responsibility for your judgements - just like anyone else, really.

I can tell you right now that you do not seem to have a good grasp of what you are attempting to criticize. I couldn't wear this shoe if I wanted to. It does not remotely fit.

I replied your own post in which you said that i shouldn't then push my religion into others and
i replied that i don't push anyone into my religion, what criticizing has to do with it, please explain
you point if any as i was replying your post and not criticizing.

 

[LuisDantas]

You said that Dr. Adnan says nonsense, period

What I can make of the video certainly is. At this point I am honestly wondering how much logical sense, if any, it makes in Arabic. It is not a matter of belief or even of good will, but rather of grammatical coherence.

If you can provide us with a better English translation by all means do so. It is sorely wanted.

 

[FearGod]

That is quite correct. I said that and I stand by that.

I expect that most people will agree, regardless of their specific beliefs. It is not a very bold statement at all.

Religious beliefs have consequences and at least arguably meant to have consequences. Aren't they?




Atheism is hardly the same as having no religion, for various reasons, but that is perhaps best discussed a bit further down the line.

It is factually true that good and bad people exist across the spectrum of belief stances. But that is not a challenge to my claim that beliefs shape behavior, which did not even specificy moral merit.



It helped, and I thank you for the effort. I am all too aware that my ways of expressing myself may be rather uninviting. I consider this post of yours a gesture of good will.

Thank you, I'm telling it to you from my practice, i meet in daily basis people who are praying daily in the mosque and
i know that they're evils and i know people that don't pray even once and they're like angels and similarly i can see
religious people who are like angels and the others are evils, so i confirm it to you that religion has nothing to
do with it.