Draw Muhammad day

[ImmortalFlame]

Oh wow Penumbra you made me remember the "Super Best Friends" in South Park. Oh wow they were so awesome. Especially Mohammad.

Its also fun to note that no one cared about it when Muhammad was depicted the first time. But all hell broke loose when they wanted to show him a second time.
Also why didnt the Muslims care about it when South Park depicts god as some kind of... really weird creature?
Or the constant depiction of Jesus?
Or Moses who takes great pleasure in macaroni pictures?

There's only one possible explanation:

All of those depictions must be completely accurate.

 

[Gharib]

No, I asked you two questions. Hence the question marks at the end of each question.

Now, will you stop evading those questions and answer them?

Both faiths have a right to be offended if they wish, but if Buddhists do not get offended, do you believe Muslims should not too and that if they do they are just being irrational?

 

[Gharib]

There's only one possible explanation:

All of those depictions must be completely accurate.

Amazing

 

[nameless]

My point is that people within KSA should stand up for themselves

any hope that will happen? what if the majority population dont opt for these changes? the minority have to suffer then.

it will be better received than if outsiders insist on trying to change them.

did your prophet follow the same principle?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Both faiths have a right to be offended if they wish,

I'm not asking about the right to be offended, I'm asking about the right to make fun of particular religious beliefs.

but if Buddhists do not get offended, do you believe Muslims should not too and that if they do they are just being irrational?

There's a difference between "I am offended" and "do not offend me". Do you understand? Nobody (here or anywhere) has said that Muslims don't have the right to be offended, or that the fact that Buddhists are not as offended by Buddha being made fun of means that Muslims shouldn't be offended in the same way. What's being asked is whether or not it is okay to make fun of one religious belief rather than another - do you believe that it is worse to mock Muhammed than it is to mock Buddha?

 

[Gharib]

I'm not asking about the right to be offended, I'm asking about the right to make fun of particular religious beliefs.


There's a difference between "I am offended" and "do not offend me". Do you understand? Nobody (here or anywhere) has said that Muslims don't have the right to be offended, or that the fact that Buddhists are not as offended by Buddha being made fun of means that Muslims shouldn't be offended in the same way. What's being asked is whether or not it is okay to make fun of one religious belief rather than another - do you believe that it is worse to mock Muhammed than it is to mock Buddha?

I do not like it at all that those who are dead or those who are alive to be mocked and made fun of unless they chose to make fun of themselves. And I am painting with a very large brush.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I do not like it at all that neither those who are dead nor those who are alive to be mocked and made fun of unless they chose to make fun of themselves. And I am painting with a very large brush.

But do you think it is more reprehensible to mock Muhammed than it is to mock Buddha? Is it better or worse to show Buddha snorting coke than it is to show Muhammed at all?

 

[Gharib]

But do you think it is more reprehensible to mock Muhammed than it is to mock Buddha? Is it better or worse to show Buddha snorting coke than it is to show Muhammed at all?

It seems that what I said was not satisfactory because the answer was not what you expected.

 

[blackout]

Comedy Censorship.
For ONE religion and ONE prophet.
eh.


They'll be telling jokes in hushed tones about
"He that shall not be drawn..."

for fear of.... well.... maybe lightning bolts....


Staunch Piety has a way of rendering people humorless.
And overtly oversensitive.

If you don't like what's on TV,
don't watch it.

Prophets and Gods can surely take care of themselves.
I'm guessing they can even laugh at themselves as well.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It seems that what I said was not satisfactory because the answer was not what you expected.

No, the answer was not an answer to the question I presented. I asked if it is worse to mock one religion over another, and your response was "I don't like anybody to be mocked". That is not an answer to the question of whether or not you think it is better or worse to mock one religious figure over another.

So, do you think it is better or worse to depict Buddha snorting coke than it is to depict Muhammed at all?

 

[Father Heathen]

Stunning example I am speechless. You have absolutely nothing better to say other than just go in circles and hope to come across a blind bat.

Those cartoons serve only one purpose, to offend Muslims and show that it's not always as they say. I don't even understand what it was that we did? If people like you are so pathetic that they have nothing better to do with their lives and can't think of doing anything other than offending a group of people for no reason, then I feel sorry for you and those of the same thinking.

Dry those tear-soaked eyes, son.

 

[blackout]

But do you think it is more reprehensible to mock Muhammed than it is to mock Buddha? Is it better or worse to show Buddha snorting coke than it is to show Muhammed at all?

You have to pick your prophets.

There's simply not enough time in the day
to go around defending every god, prophet, dead person and cultural and religious icon
from every irreverent thug in the world who owns a pencil.

I mean, if we all went around getting offended on EVERYONE else's behalf,
we'd need motorized soapboxes on wheels.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Dry those tear-soaked eyes, son.

Could you be any more condescending?

 

[beenie]

any hope that will happen? what if the majority population dont opt for these changes? the minority have to suffer then.

I wish we lived in a utopia and everyone could be happy, but we don't. Do I think there's hope? I don't know anymore. I hope with awareness and education, over time there will be more hope. As it stands, extremists, although in the minority, seem to be winning in some societies.

did your prophet follow the same principle?

I don't know.

 

[Father Heathen]

The race/religion comparison is incidental. The principle involved is the point.

One thing that gets me about this place is that unless an analogy agrees with the thing it's meant to represent in every respect, the analogy is labeled false.

Seriously, it's like saying "A rolling stone gathers no moss" and having the person respond with "But people aren't stones. Stones are silicon based, people are carbon based so your analogy fails".

The principle is the same.

Of put it this way: if you see something invalid about the comparison aside from the moot observation that religion and race aren't the same thing, feel free to point it out.



This is blame the victim mentality. Regardless of why the people on the receiving end are offended, purposely offending a bunch of people for the actions of a small minority is unjustified.



Again: so would that make it OK to hold a "Draw Little Black Sambo Day"? After all, it's just a simple picture.

Incorrect. The principle is not the same. You'll have to think deeper. Okay, see, "race" is genetics, physical characteristics that A.) people don't choose adn B.) have no relevant baring on their character or conduct. Thus it would be irrational and unfair to target or criticize based on race.
Now religion, on the other hand, consists of beliefs and ideas. They can change, grow, etc. They can be accepted or rejected, and can influence peoples perceptions, behaviors, attitudes, actions, etc. Beliefs and ideas are not excempt from critique and scrutiny. This is how our ideas evolve, and how we separate good ones and bad ones. It's how we move forward. If ridiculing religion is akin to racism, then ridiculing any belief or idea would be akin to racism, including ridiculing racism itself. But that would be pretty silly, wouldn't it?
As for "blaming the victim", if they allow themselves to traumatized by something so trivial, then yes, we do "blame the victim".

 

[Father Heathen]

Could you be any more condescending?

Don't worry, I'm not going to take your crown. Besides, I was only returning the favor to him.

 

[predavlad]

Stunning example I am speechless. You have absolutely nothing better to say other than just go in circles and hope to come across a blind bat.

Those cartoons serve only one purpose, to offend Muslims and show that it's not always as they say. I don't even understand what it was that we did? If people like you are so pathetic that they have nothing better to do with their lives and can't think of doing anything other than offending a group of people for no reason, then I feel sorry for you and those of the same thinking.

No, to offend was not the purpose. Here are some actual purposes:
1. Entertainment. Someone mentioned the southpark episode with Muhammad, which I found quite funny even though Muhammad wasn't actually shown (as far as I remember)
2. To make the point that not all religions are the same. I guarantee that there were a lot of Buddhists who got offended by Buddha sniffing coke. Muslims reacted a lot more than Buddhists, for fewer reasons.
3. Free publicity by being controversial. I agree that it isn't a good reason, but it was one of the reasons.

Also, about offending a group of people for no reason:

I feel extremely offended by billboards in America that say "Atheists will burn in hell". Is that not intentional disrespect for an entire class of people, about 20% of the worlds population?
Nobody rushes to defend the feelings of atheists though.

So, when religious people are a..holes - it's freedom of expression. When non-religious people are a..holes - it's offensive and insensitive.

Am I the only one who notices a double standard here ?

 

[A Troubled Man]

If people within a society want to change the rules of their society, I welcome them to do so.

Why should they have to allow all of this in an Islamic country? Don't like their rules? Don't live there.

That's why I said you were opening a large can of worms with the latter statement.

Where I have an issue is when people outside stick their noses into countries under the guise of "democracy-building" and "equal rights for all" when their real eye is on the prize of having a presence where they're not welcome.

Perhaps, that is exactly how countries and their inhabitants feel when Muslims, for example, wish to emigrate to those countries and incorporate Sharia Law.

See how that works?

As far as the drawings, be my guest and have your day. I won't act out, mostly everyone I know won't act out, but I, as one moderate Muslim, am not responsible for those in Afghanistan who do.

And, will you also sit idly by while your brethren act out in the face of Islam with violence? Shouldn't the entire Muslim community worldwide be more offended with those who choose to act violently in the name of Islam and act accordingly to discourage and stop it?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Where have I given the impression that I have higher standards than anyone else?

why can't it stop at a strong written statement condemning the intent of his cartoon? why can't we, as Muslims, take a stand without punishment?

Can you point me in the direction where I've said that Muslims should have more rights than others? Thank you.

Even making a strong written statement condemning the intent of the cartoon is giving the impression of higher standards.

If others do the same towards Islam, they are considered Islamophobes. The Muslim community went to the extent of passing a resolution with the UN condemning "Islamaphobic behavior"

See how that works?

 

[A Troubled Man]

Because (and I'm sure you know this as well as I do) there's a prescription in Islam against depictions of Mohammad. It's considered blasphemous by many Muslims.

On the other hand, a depiction of Mohammad is definitely a challenge to Muslims.

There are a lot of people who find Islam offensive for a variety of reasons, yet Muslims have the right to practice it, regardless. Muslims wish to incorporate Sharia Law into the countries they emigrate to so they may not be subject to the laws of that country but instead to the laws of their religion.

And that's exactly what this Draw Mohammad Day is: a fear reaction (except in what I'm guessing are the majority of cases where it's just recreation for a lot of bored adolescents).

Then, you miss the point entirely as to what that day represents.