Earth Not By Chance

[Valjean]

No, hydrogen and oxygen will not combine to form water unless you add energy. And with enough energy, even basic elements can be changed through a process called transmutation.

As for your claim that the amount of water on this planet is constant, I suggest you read up on comets.

This is a little misleading, carmanintx. Combining hydrogen and oxygen to form water releases ernergy, once you get the reaction started. That's why you can run a car on a tank of hydrogen and dribble water out the exhaust.

Breaking water apart into its components consumes energy -- basically the same amount of energy that's released if you recombine them.
You've probably seen water electrolysed then recombined in elementry chemestry class.

 

[FFH]

This is a little misleading, carmanintx. Combining hydrogen and oxygen to form water releases ernergy, once you get the reaction started. That's why you can run a car on a tank of hydrogen and dribble water out the exhaust.

Breaking water apart into its components consumes energy -- basically the same amount of energy that's released if you recombine them.
You've probably seen water electrolysed then recombined in elementry chemestry class.

Exactly and cars have been developed to run either way by splitting the hydrogen and oxygen and burning the hydrogen gas in an existing internal combustion engine or by combining the hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity to run an electric motor.

I've given two google video links on the previous page of existing cars which run by splitting or combining hydrogen and oxygen, the result is the same, water dribbles out the tailpipe.

 

[FFH]

God has always existed, as have we, and all the matter which makes up the earth and all living things.

Moses 1: 3
And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days

 

[Valjean]

Exactly and cars have been developed to run either way by splitting the hydrogen and oxygen and burning the hydrogen gas in an existing internal combustion engine or by combining the hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity to run an electric motor.

I've given two google video links on the previous page of existing cars which run by splitting or combining hydrogen and oxygen, the result is the same, water dribbles out the tailpipe.

Splitting then recombining hydrogen and oxygen? Where, exactly, is the energy to move the car coming from? If the car ran wouldn't it be violating the 1st law of thermodynamics!
Wouldn't it would take more energy to split the water than you'd recover burning the resulting gasses?

 

[FFH]

Splitting then recombining hydrogen and oxygen? Where, exactly, is the energy to move the car coming from? If the car ran wouldn't it be violating the 1st law of thermodynamics!
Wouldn't it would take more energy to split the water than you'd recover burning the resulting gasses?

All is needed is the existing 12 volt battery in your car to get the reaction going then crank the engine and burn the hydrogen just as you would gasoline, through the existing carburetor

This guy has perfected this technique...

Daniel Dingel Water Powered Car

We are so ignorant when it comes to alternative sources of energy.

Magnets are another source of free energy...

This link shows a lamp powered only by magnets, no external energy source needed.

Free Energy Steven Mark solid state generator video 4

 

[FFH]

Just combined those last two posts to make more sense.

There are so many links to these knew developements.

Google "Free Energy" and "Water Cars"

Also Google "Unified Theory Einstein"

 

[FFH]

Just add water...


Water Powered Bike from Australia


Motorcycle Runs on Water - Auckland NZ


Run your Car on Water - No more Fuel Costs !

 

[Valjean]

You'd get farther just running off the battery than using the battery to split the water then burning it. At each step you loose energy to inefficiencies, and you're still getting something for nothing. You can't create energy.
None of these schemes can work. They're thermodynamically impossible

 

[Aasimar]

The earth, and everyhing living on it, is made of dense formed matter, which has always existed, in one form or another.

An example of this is water, it has always existed in one form or another, you cannot create or destroy it.

We have also always existed, in one form or another, just as God has.

God created our spirit bodies (refined matter) to give our individual "intelligences" form; and later we obtained physical bodies (dense matter) of course.

As an Astronomy major and a former nuclear reactor operator, this statement makes me want to cry.

Fission in a nutshell

Stable atom + thermalized neutron (or sometimes fast neutron capture) = unstable atom = emission of matter and energy due to the conversion of some mass to energy.

And I used to convert water to oxygen all the time, and crap the hydrogen overboard with a machine called an Oxygen Generator, which uses electrolysis.

Stars are gigantic breeder reactors which fuse hydrogen and helium into heavier elements through fusion.

Water exists in space in comets, which has been confirmed.

What I think you basically just said is

"Energy can be neither created or destroyed, only altered in form." Which is true....

As far as God and souls and such, no idea why you draw that conclusion.

Oh yeah and *** is "refined matter" supposed to be, sounds fishy to me.

 

[FFH]

You'd get farther just running off the battery than using the battery to split the water then burning it. At each step you loose energy to inefficiencies, and you're still getting something for nothing. You can't create energy.
None of these schemes can work. They're thermodynamically impossible

The world hangs on nothing and spins on it's axis without any oil from the middle east. Man has already tapped into this energy and is developing it. We need not be dependent on oil to run our world.

Einstein and Tesla were right, there is free energy for the taking.

Everything we need is freely given to us by God and found in or on the earth, we only need to tap into it.

 

[FFH]

Take a look at this link, it's 38 minutes long, but it's worth downloading for sure, even if all you have is dial-up.

He uses magnets to replace ordinary electrical household currents.

Basically all he's taken magnets and taped them together with black electrical tape, each set of magnets opposing one another, with small capacitors between each set of opposing magnets and then he's attached leads to them.

That's my educated guess based on other demonstrations I've seen concerning this.

The opposing forces, or energies, energize the capacitors between each magnet, which are then attached to positive and negative leads leading to the outlet or directly to the light bulb/bulbs.

Cool stuff, very simple and easy to implement into our every day lives. It's just a matter of time before we begin using all forms of free energy available to us.

Free Energy Using Magnets

 

[FFH]

As an Astronomy major and a former nuclear reactor operator, this statement makes me want to cry.

Fission in a nutshell

Stable atom + thermalized neutron (or sometimes fast neutron capture) = unstable atom = emission of matter and energy due to the conversion of some mass to energy.

And I used to convert water to oxygen all the time, and crap the hydrogen overboard with a machine called an Oxygen Generator, which uses electrolysis.

Stars are gigantic breeder reactors which fuse hydrogen and helium into heavier elements through fusion.

Water exists in space in comets, which has been confirmed.

What I think you basically just said is

"Energy can be neither created or destroyed, only altered in form." Which is true....

As far as God and souls and such, no idea why you draw that conclusion.

Oh yeah and *** is "refined matter" supposed to be, sounds fishy to me.

My point was that you may be able to split the hydrogen and oxygen but the hydrogen and oxygen will eventually come back together at some point.

The same amount of water that has existed on this planet will always exist under our current conditions, we cannot create or destroy more or less than already exists..

We can temporarily split the hydrogen and oxygen, which makes up water, but it will always come back together at some point and form water again...

So, yeah, my statement was not entirely true.

We can TEMPORARILY split the hydrogen and oxygen in the water and it will seem as if we have PERMANENTLY eliminated X amount of water from our planet but not permanently. At some point the hydrogen and oxygen will bond together again, forming the same amount of water as before.

It's a renewable source of energy. We cannot permanently destroy the elemenents and molecules of this earth. They will always exist/return to their "natural state" eventually, given time and energy..

 

[FFH]

Okay so let me revise this statement.

Changes are in blue

Originally Posted by FFH
The earth, and everyhing living on it, is made of dense formed matter, which has always existed, in one form or another.

An example of this is water, it has always existed in one form or another, you cannot permanently destroy or permanently create more water than already exists on this planet.

We have also always existed, in one form or another, just as God has.

God created our spirit bodies (refined matter) to give our individual "intelligences" form; and later we obtained physical bodies (dense matter) of course.

 

[FFH]

I lived in the Tokyo, Yokohama and Fuji City areas for two years and the Japanese seemed to be at least two years ahead of the current technologies of the world.

ATM's were used in Japan years before we ever started using them in the states, back in the 80's

I used ATM machines for two years in the mid 80's, while living in Japan, then returned to the states surprised to find there were no ATM's installed in the major banks in Salt Lake City, Utah, where I lived. I puzzled as to how we could be so far behind.

This video is entirely in Japanese, but no need for a translation.

Water goes in the tank, the hydrogen and oxygen are split and then burned in the internal combustion engine and water dribbles out of the tailpipe.

Just add water...

They are years ahead of the world.

Let me translate, basically all they say is that this car runs on water , no gasoline is used. That's all you need to know. Of course they are not going to give specifics.

All they are doing is burning the hydrogen gas in an existing internal combustion engine instead of gasoline. It's no more coplicated than that.

No gasoline is used in this van, only water. The Japanese are way ahead of the world. The best we can do in the states so far is a gas/water hybrid.

Japanese Water Car

 

[FFH]

I need a new thread.

Water as Fuel


Also see this link...
Magnetic Car Motor

ELECTRIC VEHICLE SURGE TECHNOLOGY NO BATTERIES NO GAS

 

[camanintx]

Interesting link thanks.

Okay so the amount of water on this planet remains relatively constant.

It's only an example to illustrate my point; that the elements, which make up the earth, have always existed.

God formed the earth from these eternally existing elements.

God did not create the earth from nothing. He has taken eternal existing dense matter and formed the earth and all living things.

This brings up a similar question I asked on another thread. Why does the universe need a creator?

All your example shows is that there is plenty of energy out there if we just know where to look. Einstein even showed how much energy is associated with any object with mass.

Whether you believe that fundamental particles are molecules, atoms or even smaller objects, it doesn't prove that they were created by any God. If these particles can be explained through natural processes, where is the need to complicate matters by suggesting there was intelligence behind it?

 

[FFH]

This earlier link (post # 32) was linked up wrong. Try it now.

38 minute video demonstrating the free power available to us from ordinary magnets.

Free Energy Using Magnets

 

[FFH]

This brings up a similar question I asked on another thread. Why does the universe need a creator?

All your example shows is that there is plenty of energy out there if we just know where to look. Einstein even showed how much energy is associated with any object with mass.

Whether you believe that fundamental particles are molecules, atoms or even smaller objects, it doesn't prove that they were created by any God. If these particles can be explained through natural processes, where is the need to complicate matters by suggesting there was intelligence behind it?

I beleive all refined matter (that which we cannot see with our natural eyes) and all dense matter (that which we can observe with our natural eyes) has always existed.

All God did was organize existing eternal matter.

He organized unorganized matter and formed the earth.

 

[Melissa G]

That's ok then, as long as you believe it, then it must be right.

 

[FFH]

That's ok then, as long as you believe it, then it must be right.

So the sun, just by chance, is 400 times the size of the moon, and the sun, by chance, is 400 times farther away from us than the moon, which, by chance, creates a scenerio, whereby the moon perfectly eclipses the sun every X number of years, by chance.

To believe the earth is a product of chance, is far more unbelievable than believing in an omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing) God.

I know God lives and I know he formed the earth. It's not a belief, I know it, I usually don't say it that boldly, but I really do know he lives, because of certain experiences I've had.

I can say I know God formed the earth without any reservations or doubts.

Belief and faith are only the beginning, which eventually becomes a pure knowledge...

I know God (Christ) formed the earth. It's not a matter of belief with me.

So you're right, belief is a weak word to use...

I know God formed the earth, no one can prove this to anyone else, only God can do this in his own way, for each individual. I can only testify and put forth as many evidences as possible.