Earth Not By Chance

[SoyLeche]

Okay, so lets suppose we go there, can we permanently "destroy" or "create" the smallest of particles, or are we only temporarily changing or splitting atoms for example.

The Bible states that water existed above the earth, in the "firmament" (heavens), then it was "divided," and water was placed on the earth.

Nowhere does it state that water was created from nothing, it was obviously formed from hydrogen and oxygen, of course, or from smaller particles, or did it always exist in it's current form in space.

Also Adam was "formed" with the dust (matter) of the earth. Also you will recall the phrase, "here is matter unorganized".

That phrase keeps repeating itself in my mind, and we as LDS know where we have heard this statement.

God organized existing eternal matter and "formed" the earth, it was not created from nothing.

Can we permanently destroy or create the smallest of particles or elements of the earth ??? I'd say the answer is no.

We may be able to temporarily split them or combine them, but they will eventually return to their original state.

Can we permenently destroy or organize Hydrogen - most definately yes. There is less Hydrogen in the universe as you read this than there was when I wrote it - as it is constantly getting turned into Helium inside stars. But, then again, we have learned that atoms are not really the fundamental particles of "matter" - eventually you are going to get to the "particles" (I'm not even sure if that will end up being the correct word) that have always existed (BTW, I would imagine that there are an infinite number of these "particles", and always has been - don't ask me how that works, but it is what I imagine is the case). These "particles" are not Hydrogen or Oxygen, though. They are the things that make up Hydrogen and Oxygen.

The kicker here is what their "original state" is. I don't believe that things will "eventually return to their original state". At least, I hope that isn't the case. I rather like being in my physical body - I don't want to go back to being an unembodied spirit (or an unemspirited intelligence, whatever that is).

 

[madhatter85]

As far as Quarks and Leptons Go being the smallest elementary particle of the Atom, they cannot be destroyed, they decay into smaller matter which we cannto measure.

Matter is perminent, matter in one form or another, wiether it is hydrogen, or helium, is just another modified form of matter.

Here is an interesting concept. Photons have absolute 0 mass, they are pure energy, you can not stop an electron or slow them down, Light is a universal constant. but somethign interesting occurs a substance that abosrbs photons over time gains more mass, and somethign that emits photons looses mass over time.

no matter if there is one photon or a thousand photons, the same amount of light or energy is emitted in any particular space. Photons cannot be destroyed, stopped, or split.

Matter, or Mass, is energy in a separate form. everything in the universe either will emit or absorb photons.

 

[Aasimar]

Here is an interesting concept. Photons have absolute 0 mass, they are pure energy, you can not stop an electron or slow them down, Light is a universal constant. but somethign interesting occurs a substance that abosrbs photons over time gains more mass, and somethign that emits photons looses mass over time.

I'm gonna assume that "you can not stop an electron or slow them down" was intended for "photons" Because I have slowed down numerous electrons (Called thermalization.)

Here is an interesting concept. Photons have absolute 0 mass, they are pure energy, you can not stop an electron or slow them down, Light is a universal constant. but somethign interesting occurs a substance that abosrbs photons over time gains more mass, and somethign that emits photons looses mass over time.

Never heard that before, link to source please?

 

[madhatter85]

Yes, I meant to say Photon but i didn't proof Read it. and now it;s too late to Edit.

Wikipedia go look up Photon.

 

[yossarian22]

Matter is perminent, matter in one form or another, wiether it is hydrogen, or helium, is just another modified form of matter.

Eh, matter can be converted into energy. Its why atoms weigh a bit less than they theoretically should. They turn a bit of mass into the strong nuclear force. I think. Chemistry is a bit fuzzy to me now.

Here is an interesting concept. Photons have absolute 0 mass, they are pure energy, you can not stop an electron or slow them down, Light is a universal constant.

You can slow a photon down. Perhaps you mean c is a universal constant in a vacuum. Some people over in Berkley slowed light down to around 6 miles per second.

but somethign interesting occurs a substance that abosrbs photons over time gains more mass, and somethign that emits photons looses mass over time.

If that is true, it probably could be because nothing emits photons unless it is heated/excited or is undergoing a chemical or nuclear reaction.

Photons cannot be destroyed, stopped, or split.
Matter, or Mass, is energy in a separate form. everything in the universe either will emit or absorb photons.

How can you absorb something which cannot be destroyed?

 

[Evolution_Not]

I know that scientist say you cannot destroy or create matter only change within the laws.
I know evolutionist believe "matter has always existed". I was suprised to here that from LDS not
that I know much about them. Was your statement based on science or a religious reference?
Just curious.

 

[madhatter85]

I know that scientist say you cannot destroy or create matter only change within the laws.
I know evolutionist believe "matter has always existed". I was suprised to here that from LDS not
that I know much about them. Was your statement based on science or a religious reference?
Just curious.

for LDS members and our doctrine Science actually co-exists with religion. God is truth, he is an exalted man, he has more intelligence than us. which is how he makes all things subject unto himself. Matter is eternal and has always existed and therefore would make the appearance of the earth being billions of years old when in fact it is just the elementary particles that have existed in their current for for centuries.

Sorry i didn;t answer your question, the answer is Both science and religion