Educating Illegal Immigrants

[Quiddity]

I did a search and was not successful at finding a related topic on this. How do you guys feel about educating illegal immigrants?

~Victor

 

[Darkdale]

I did a search and was not successful at finding a related topic on this. How do you guys feel about educating illegal immigrants?

~Victor

You mean in place of deporting them? I'm against it.

 

[Aqualung]

I'm mixed. They come in here illegally, work illegally (and therefore don't pay taxes), yet go to a tax funded school and expect education. However, a lot of the illegal immagrants do things (like work in the orchards for really low pay and really long hours) that an american just wouldn't do, so they are a really helpful asset to our economy. It's a toughy.

 

[Quiddity]

You mean in place of deporting them? I'm against it.

Darkdale, it is blantly obvious that the US is doing a horrible job at this. Next...what do you do now that you know a solution is not near? Deportation is not a realistic option. Do you educate them or have them increase crime rates? Either way they will cost you money.

~Victor

 

[Darkdale]

Darkdale, it is blantly obvious that the US is doing a horrible job at this. Next...what do you do now that you know a solution is not near? Deportation is not a realistic option. Do you educate them or have them increase crime rates? Either way they will cost you money.

~Victor

I don't accept the premise that deportation is not a realistic option. I believe that it is. We just don't have the will at present. I see that changing though.

 

[Pah]

I'm mixed. They come in here illegally, work illegally (and therefore don't pay taxes), yet go to a tax funded school and expect education. However, a lot of the illegal immagrants do things (like work in the orchards for really low pay and really long hours) that an american just wouldn't do, so they are a really helpful asset to our economy. It's a toughy.

Let me suggest that they do pay taxes (state, local and federal) and even Social Security. They are probably liable for property taxes IF that could afford a house of their own. As it is, the landord extracts enough money to cover the immigrant's share of that tax burden or it's "docked" from pay.

Does that make your decision easier?

 

[Pah]

You mean in place of deporting them? I'm against it.

Can you deport a child born here?

 

[Aqualung]

As it is, the landord extracts enough money to cover the immigrant's share of that tax burden or it's "docked" from pay.[/QUOTE]
And let me guess. When the landlord docks that pay, they put that money on their tax forms as income, and it gets taxed, too, right? Or is that just cream? I don't think most landlords pay that money to the government. They just keep it for themselves. An illegal immigarant might be losing thier fair share of "tax" money, but if it's not going to the government, it's not tax money.

 

[Scott1]

A good resource is The National Association of Hispanic Priests of the USA

Archbishop Gomez of San Antonio was profiled in this week's Our Sunday Visitor. The Department of Homeland Security announced a 45-day period after hurricane Katrina in which employers would not be fined for hiring undocumented workers... this shows the important contribution of undocumented migrants who are often the first ones ready to work.

He quoted John Paul II in saying "nations have a right to protect their borders, and as a Church we support that. At the same time, people have the right to move and to work." ... and I'm of the opinon that if these people are in the US, they have as much of a right to be here and to receive an education as anyone who came off the boat at Ellis Island.

 

[michel]

Perhaps the only Moral way to deal with illegal immigrants is to give them recognition; they could the work for a livig, without fear of being found out (Both the immigrant and the employer). The immigrant would also pay taxes..........and we would all live hapilly everafter.


Except for the fact that there would never be adequate housing, jobs, medical facilities...

The answer ? Make the third world countries self sufficient, and viable. What needs to be done to achieve that ? Get rid of the corrupt despots, who are salting away every penny in Swiss Bank accounts.

(Actually, they aren't in Swiss Bank accounts any more (I think)).

 

[Quiddity]

I don't accept the premise that deportation is not a realistic option. I believe that it is. We just don't have the will at present. I see that changing though.

Ok Darkdale, if you say so. I've been hearing this on talk radio for sometime now. How long do you think it will take to get all of them out of the country? Seriously.

~Victor

 

[Green Gaia]

I did a search and was not successful at finding a related topic on this. How do you guys feel about educating illegal immigrants?

~Victor

I don't have a problem with it, in fact I support it. Every child should have the opportunity to receive a good education, despite where they are born.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I support education. Uneducated people will cost more money.

 

[Quiddity]

Perhaps the only Moral way to deal with illegal immigrants is to give them recognition; they could the work for a livig, without fear of being found out (Both the immigrant and the employer). The immigrant would also pay taxes..........and we would all live hapilly everafter.


Except for the fact that there would never be adequate housing, jobs, medical facilities...

The answer ? Make the third world countries self sufficient, and viable. What needs to be done to achieve that ? Get rid of the corrupt despots, who are salting away every penny in Swiss Bank accounts.

(Actually, they aren't in Swiss Bank accounts any more (I think)).

For the US to do that, they must build relationships first. Bush seems to be rather close to Vicente Fox (Mexican President). Mexico's quality of living has certainly gone up. US border patrol will probably take the credit for it, but I personally think people just didn't want to come to the US at a certain time. Their needs were being somewhat fulfilled in Mexico and therefore they didn't want to come.

~Victor

 

[Pah]

As it is, the landord extracts enough money to cover the immigrant's share of that tax burden or it's "docked" from pay.[/QUOTE]
And let me guess. When the landlord docks that pay, they put that money on their tax forms as income, and it gets taxed, too, right? Or is that just cream? I don't think most landlords pay that money to the government. They just keep it for themselves. An illegal immigarant might be losing thier fair share of "tax" money, but if it's not going to the government, it's not tax money.

Nah I was thinking of the property tax that the landlord pays on his property. Got nothing to do with income.

 

[Darkdale]

Can you deport a child born here?

No, not legally. As I understand it, if you are born here, regardless of your parents status, you are a "citizen" - at least, you will be at 18.

 

[michel]

No, not legally. As I understand it, if you are born here, regardless of your parents status, you are a "citizen" - at least, you will be at 18.

That, actually, can be used to an end that is perhaps not what one would want to see.

An English Woman, who married a Swiss, and had two children by him left him. She came back to England, because she felt the need to be with her parents.

The Swioss Authorities have comfirmed that because the Children were born on Swiss soil, that they would have to be returned there, pending a custody case (That will obviously take a while to arrange). The father, I understand, isn't bothered about the Children.........but they were flown out to Switzerland last night - alone and frightened........

 

[Pah]

No, not legally. As I understand it, if you are born here, regardless of your parents status, you are a "citizen" - at least, you will be at 18.

And since the child is a minor, the parent(s) get to stay until the chld is 18

 

[Shadow Wolf]

However, a lot of the illegal immagrants do things (like work in the orchards for really low pay and really long hours) that an american just wouldn't do,

I know of some jobs I would do, and several other Americans would do, that pay decent wages that are taken by Illegal Immigrants.
I really don't like the fact that many cities throughout the nation are being over-run by them.

 

[Scott1]

I really don't like the fact that many cities throughout the nation are being over-run by them.

Some things never change... my Grandfather told me stories of looking for a job and seeing signs in business that read "No Dogs or Irish allowed".