Educating Illegal Immigrants

[Shadow Wolf]

An ID and SSN are easy to obtain.

This one guy in charge of hiring was asked by a mexican he interviewed "What SSN did I give you?"

 

[Quiddity]

This one guy in charge of hiring was asked by a mexican he interviewed "What SSN did I give you?"

:biglaugh: I've seen that as well..

~Victor

 

[Ryan2065]

I myself do not believe that Illegal Immigrants should get anything from the US government. Just for the simple fact that it would encourage people to get into the country illegally to make a better life for their children. I also do not like the fact that someone born on American soil gets to be an American citizen. I think we should do away with that law as well... Or have it be more of a case by case basis (like if you have a legit reason to want your child to be an american citizen and he was born on american soil then you can become a citizen)

 

[Quiddity]

I myself do not believe that Illegal Immigrants should get anything from the US government. Just for the simple fact that it would encourage people to get into the country illegally to make a better life for their children. I also do not like the fact that someone born on American soil gets to be an American citizen. I think we should do away with that law as well... Or have it be more of a case by case basis (like if you have a legit reason to want your child to be an american citizen and he was born on american soil then you can become a citizen)

What do you do with the ones that are already here? As I said earlier, kicking them out is easier said then done. Not educating them will probably cost you more money.

~Victor

 

[Ryan2065]

What do you do with the ones that are already here? As I said earlier, kicking them out is easier said then done. Not educating them will probably cost you more money.

How would not educating them cost us more money? Are you saying that when a mexican is not educated he turns to crime and there is no other option?

As my high school teacher always told our class... "Somebodys gotta drive a cab."

 

[Quiddity]

How would not educating them cost us more money? Are you saying that when a mexican is not educated he turns to crime and there is no other option?

As my high school teacher always told our class... "Somebodys gotta drive a cab."

Tell you teacher that there isn't enough cabs.
It's not just a Mexican issue, nevertheless your point applies. Poverty and Crime have a connection. So yes, in a sense I am saying that.

~Victor

 

[Ryan2065]

Poverty and Crime have a connection. So yes, in a sense I am saying that.

But that is not the only connection. And you do realize that you just agreed with the statement "if someone isn't educated they will turn to crime."

Also are you now saying that poverty is due to no education?

If it were up to me I would set something up with the Mexican prision so that any illegal immigrants found would be sent there (even go so far as to set up new prisions for mexico) That way people would not really want to come over here too often.

 

[Quiddity]

But that is not the only connection. And you do realize that you just agreed with the statement "if someone isn't educated they will turn to crime."

Also are you now saying that poverty is due to no education?

If it were up to me I would set something up with the Mexican prision so that any illegal immigrants found would be sent there (even go so far as to set up new prisions for mexico) That way people would not really want to come over here too often.

Your ideas are fine and danddy but they are here now and whatever solution that will be implemented will take time. Nonetheless, some how educating them in your mind is worse then not educating them. I suggest you look into correlations between cultural/economic with education. You will find that educated people cost you less.

~Victor

 

[Ryan2065]

Your ideas are fine and danddy but they are here now and whatever solution that will be implemented will take time. Nonetheless, some how educating them in your mind is worse then not educating them. I suggest you look into correlations between cultural/economic with education. You will find that educated people cost you less.

You say that it will cost me less? So an illegal immigrant breaks a law, gets sent back to mexico, a place that he never wanted to go back to... Seems to me that an illegal immigrant would do everything in their power to not break the law... =)

 

[Quiddity]

You say that it will cost me less? So an illegal immigrant breaks a law, gets sent back to mexico, a place that he never wanted to go back to... Seems to me that an illegal immigrant would do everything in their power to not break the law... =)

Just to give you one example. I do indeed have a cousin who is an illegal immigrant who was in an American prison for 9 years. He just got released this week. He was deported to Mexico and now he is working his way back. It think the likelyhood of him having been educated vs. not would make a difference in his actions.

~Victor

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Just to give you one example. I do indeed have a cousin who is an illegal immigrant who was in an American prison for 9 years. He just got released this week. He was deported to Mexico and now he is working his way back. It think the likelyhood of him having been educated vs. not would make a difference in his actions.

~Victor

Then, assuming that the commission of crime is not limited to illegal immigrants, should you not be trying to get EVERYONE educated by whatever means it takes?

 

[Quiddity]

Then, assuming that the commission of crime is not limited to illegal immigrants, should you not be trying to get EVERYONE educated by whatever means it takes?

I don't know about the "whatever means it takes" comment but yes we should educate everybody.

~Victor

 

[Quoth The Raven]

I don't know about the "whatever means it takes" comment but yes we should educate everybody.

~Victor

Well, I was thinking of nailing the kiddies to their desks, but if that's not a goer than I'm sure there are ways of pursuading people that continuing education is an endeavour to be pursued.

 

[Bastet]

An ID and SSN are easy to obtain.

~Victor

Well, gee...if I'd known that 2 years ago, I'd have simply not caught the plane back here. Stupid me for wanting to do it the legal way...

 

[Ardent Listener]

Well, gee...if I'd known that 2 years ago, I'd have simply not caught the plane back here. Stupid me for wanting to do it the legal way...

Sorry, the same rules don't apply to you. If you are an illigal immigrant, other than Mexican, (O.T.M.) and you are found in the USA, you will not just be deported. You will be prosecuted.

 

[Bastet]

Sorry, the same rules don't apply to you. If you are an illigal immigrant, other than Mexican, (O.T.M.) and you are found in the USA, you will not just be deported. You will be prosecuted.

I know that. You must have missed my sarcasm. It's nice how the same rules apply to everyone, isn't it.

 

[Ardent Listener]

I know that. You must have missed my sarcasm. It's nice how the same rules apply to everyone, isn't it.

I wasn't sure about your sarcasm. I'm happy that you already knew that because most Americans sure don't. :clap Yes, liberity and justice for all.

 

[Ryan2065]

I wasn't sure about your sarcasm.

I'm happy that you already knew that because most Americans sure don't.

Yes, liberity and justice for all.

So are you suggesting that we open our borders to everyone? That of course would be the only way to ensure liberty and justice for all.

 

[Bastet]

So are you suggesting that we open our borders to everyone? That of course would be the only way to ensure liberty and justice for all.

Personally, I'd have settled for them recognising long term same sex partners in the same way as they do heterosexual married couples. But it's a moot point now, anyway.

 

[Bennettresearch]

This is actually incorrect. I just came back from a court hearing where my wifes parents and her 2 sisters and little brother (who are all born here and the parents have been here for over twenty years) are all in deportation mode. Long story but I was floored when I heard the hearing. They have never committed a crime in their life, payed taxes, have a business, etc. Just made no sense to me. Last words of the judge were"
"It think having read and observed your case that your family is more then capable of surving in Mexico and it would not be any burden to make that change". They appealed and it's on it's way to Washington.

~Victor

Hi Victor,

We have had some stories like this in Washington too. It makes one very angry to see a double standard. The illegal immigration that has become a problem isn't addressed while people like your family are targeted. This kind of selectivity is frustrating.