Egyptian and Jewish exodus what proof?

[sooda]

As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.

Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:

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The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim

But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.

What depths? Did you examine the wheel when you were snorkeling?

 

[sooda]

Yes, I've read all that rubbish before. The unregenerate will always serve the adversary while waffling about the consensus of respected scholars and archeologists - gosh, what idiots.

Ron Wyatt was neither a scholar nor an archaeologist.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.

Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:

View attachment 28187
The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim

But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.

When we find similar artifacts on the floor of other seas, is this also evidence that, in those cases, an army rode across a sea floor that was magically made dry?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even more remarkable proof of an army traversing a dry sea floor:

Now, this is in the Atlantic just off the coast of Ireland, not in the Red Sea, but still...

They say that these tanks fell off a ship when it was torpedoed by a U-boat, but we know that this is just excuse-making by atheists. We know the truth: they didn't fall off any ship. Those tanks drove to this point under their own power. The ones that aren't upright were flipped when God sent the water rushing back in.

... obviously.

 

[sooda]

The problem is getting the date of the Exodus wrong and liberal scholars looking in the wrong time

You can't find evidence for an epic myth about salvation and deliverance.

 

[sooda]

As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.

Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:

View attachment 28187
The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim

But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.

You must be a supernatural snorkeler.

Gulf of Aqaba - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Aqaba
Geography. It reaches a maximum depth of 1,850 m in its central area: the Gulf of Suez is significantly wider but less than 100 m deep.

Even SCUBA divers don't go to depths of 300 feet.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You must be a supernatural snorkeler.

Gulf of Aqaba - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Aqaba
Geography. It reaches a maximum depth of 1,850 m in its central area: the Gulf of Suez is significantly wider but less than 100 m deep.

Even SCUBA divers don't go to depths of 300 feet.

Psst:

- "less than 100 m" <> "100 m"
- every body of water has a depth of 0 m at its shoreline.

 

[sooda]

Psst:

- "less than 100 m" <> "100 m"
- every body of water has a depth of 0 m at its shoreline.

They didn't play along the shoreline.. the CROSSED it. Look at the topo for the bottom of Gulf of Aqaba.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

They didn't play along the shoreline.. the CROSSED it. Look at the topo for the bottom of Gulf of Aqaba.

I guess I missed the part where anyone suggested that the "chariot wheel" is at the deepest point of the "crossing." Can you point it out for me?

 

[sooda]

I guess I missed the part where anyone suggested that the "chariot wheel" is at the deepest point of the "crossing." Can you point it out for me?

Read Ron Wyatt's claims. If there were chariot wheels in shallow water the Egyptians would have them in the Cairo Museum.

Please note that all these con men claim the government is covering it up or that their film was bad.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.

Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:

View attachment 28187
The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim

But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.

Nope. You don't make chariot wheels out of **stone**, which is what you have there.

Wooden wheels would not last even months, in that shallow of water-- the sun rot alone would quickly destroy such things. Same for metals-- the salt and sun action would rot/dissolve the metal very rapidly.

It's a pity the waters were not deep enough, to provide some preservation effects, is it not?

 

[mistoftime]

I don't think the Bible is anymore than a human construct with no input from a god, so much of it has to be taken with a large pinch of salt, in my opinion.

 

[sooda]

Nope. You don't make chariot wheels out of **stone**, which is what you have there.

Wooden wheels would not last even months, in that shallow of water-- the sun rot alone would quickly destroy such things. Same for metals-- the salt and sun action would rot/dissolve the metal very rapidly.

It's a pity the waters were not deep enough, to provide some preservation effects, is it not?

LOLOL.. I really take issue with bald faced liars who evidently think "true believers" are suckers.

 

[sooda]

I don't think the Bible is anymore than a human construct with no input from a god, so much of it has to be taken with a large pinch of salt, in my opinion.

That is a good place to start. The stories have value, but they are NOT history.. The problem is the charlatans try to ram this stuff down your throat.. Park your brains, forget education, forget critical thinking.. a snorkeler can spot chariot wheels on the floor of the Gulf of Aqaba... and the villain .. the Egyptian government, is thwarting them. Disgusting.

 

[rosends]

Even more remarkable proof of an army traversing a dry sea floor:

Now, this is in the Atlantic just off the coast of Ireland, not in the Red Sea, but still...

They say that these tanks fell off a ship when it was torpedoed by a U-boat, but we know that this is just excuse-making by atheists. We know the truth: they didn't fall off any ship. Those tanks drove to this point under their own power. The ones that aren't upright were flipped when God sent the water rushing back in.

... obviously.

that's just coral.

 

[Riders]

Is there any proof outside the red sea you can go to look for proof for the Exodus story? Like is their any scientific proof of some of the plagues at all?
What about historical accounts of the Pharoahs first son diyng with the plague anything like that?

 

[Riders]

The bible says The Israelites’ oppression becomes even more profound a few verses later, when Pharaoh orders the killing of all newborn Hebrew boys (Exodus 1:16). This decree foreshadows the ten plagues to come, with their last and most-terrible plague, makat b’chorot, the killing of the firstborn (Exodus 11). But as the Israelites’ period of slavery already included Pharaoh’s order to kill all newborn Hebrew boys, perhaps that last plague should not have come as a surprise.

So this Pharoah was real correct? Do we have the mummy or written history on this pharoah? If so was any written history found on the killings of first born Jewish sons?

 

[The Anointed]

Is there any proof outside the red sea you can go to look for proof for the Exodus story? Like is their any scientific proof of some of the plagues at all?
What about historical accounts of the Pharoahs first son diyng with the plague anything like that?

Yes, the expulsion of the Shepherd kings in 1567 B.C., some 40 years before the final destruction of Jericho.

 

[sooda]

Yes, the expulsion of the Shepherd kings in 1567 B.C., some 40 years before the final destruction of Jericho.

The story of Moses and the Exodus is fiction..

Hyksos
(hĭk`sōs) [Egyptian,=rulers of foreign lands], invaders of ancient EgyptEgypt
, Arab. Misr, biblical Mizraim, officially Arab Republic of Egypt, republic (2015 est. pop. 93,778,000), 386,659 sq mi (1,001,449 sq km), NE Africa and SW Asia.

now substantiated as the XV–XVIII dynasties.

They were a northwestern Semitic (Canaanite or Amorite) people who entered Egypt sometime between 1720 and 1710 B.C. and subdued the pharaohs of the Middle Kingdom.

They used Avaris-Tanis in the Nile delta as their capital rather than the Egyptian capital of Thebes.

Under their hegemony, which lasted over a century, they established a powerful kingdom that included Syria and Palestine, and maintained peace and prosperity in their territories.

They introduced the horse-drawn chariot and the composite bow, and their successful conquests were furthered by a type of rectangular fortification of beaten earth used as a fortress; archaeologists have uncovered examples of these mounds at Jericho, Shechem, and Lachish.

Their most important contribution was perhaps the introduction into Egypt of Canaanite deities and Asian artifacts, which were instrumental in abrogating the despotism and isolationism of the Old and Middle kingdoms. The Hyksos were crushed by Amasis I at the battle of Tanis in 1550 B.C.

Shepherd Kings

Hyksos

a group of Asiatic tribes that crossed the Isthmus of Suez from Southwest Asia into Egypt and conquered it in about 1700 B.C. The word “Hyksos” in Egyptian first referred to kings of foreign countries (“shepherd rulers”), but later came to denote the whole group of tribes. The true ethnic name of the Hyksos is unknown; their ethnic composition was highly mixed, judging from the presence of both Semitic and Hurrian names.

They settled in Lower Egypt, where they established their capital, Avaris. They were the first to introduce horse breeding and the wheel as a means of transportation into Egypt.

They simplified the Egyptian written language by creating purely alphabetical writing. In the beginning of the 16th century a liberation movement was begun in Egypt against the Hyksos, headed by Seqenenre II, the ruler of Thebes, and later by Kamose.

The struggle was completed by Pharaoh Ahmose I (ruled in the years 1584-59), who captured Avaris. The surviving Hyksos fled to Palestine, and nothing is known about their fate thereafter.

 

[sooda]

Most scholars think the Hurrians were the ancestors of the Kurds.. They also think the Hurrians merged with the Hittites and Assyrians.