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Egyptian and Jewish exodus what proof?
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Bob the Unbeliever
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But you are so Judgemental, that I doubt YOU would approve. Right? I HAVE to have YOUR, PERSONAL approval.... isn't that how it works? ONLY YOU CAN BE THE "CORRECT" JUDGE?
whirlingmerc
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Actually it was mostly 70% female which is consistent with many Jewish male babies killed at the time as recorded in Exodus
whirlingmerc
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The problem is getting the date of the Exodus wrong and liberal scholars looking in the wrong time
Jake Wilson
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As usual, such finds are discredited because they are genuine (you wouldn't expect anything less, would you). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and anyone who's able to put two and two together will realize that there's a graveyard of Egyptian wreckage on the seafloor.
Here's a six spoke chariot wheel:
The same pic with the spokes marked can be seen here: Notzrim
But it doesn't matter how much evidence you present, the ones who don't like it will explain it away.
Jake Wilson
New Member
Googling for foolgling for those who take the bait.
There is no accounting for people falling for fake news from World News Daily despite the disclaimer that this is a site for 'fake news' to trip up the gullible to believe what they want. By the way there is another 'fake news' article from the 'spoof news site' that is passed around that there is a first century document found that confirms the Biblical Jesus Christ.
From: FACT CHECK: Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea?
"On 24 October 2014, the web site World News Daily Report (WNDR) published an article reporting that chariot wheels and the bones of horses and men had been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, thereby supposedly proving archaeological proof of the Biblical narrative about the escape of the Israelites from the Egyptians. According to the Book of Exodus, God parted the Red Sea long enough for the Moses-led Israelites to walk across it on dry ground, but closed the waters up again upon the pursuing Egyptian army and drowned them all:
Egypt’s Antiquities Ministry announced this morning that a team of underwater archaeologists had discovered that remains of a large Egyptian army from the 14th century BC, at the bottom of the Gulf of Suez, 1.5 kilometers offshore from the modern city of Ras Gharib. The team was searching for the remains of ancient ships and artefacts related to Stone Age and Bronze Age trade in the Red Sea area, when they stumbled upon a gigantic mass of human bones darkened by age.
The scientists lead by Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader and associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology, have already recovered a total of more than 400 different skeletons, as well as hundreds of weapons and pieces of armor, also the remains of two war chariots, scattered over an area of approximately 200 square meters. They estimate that more than 5000 other bodies could be dispersed over a wider area, suggesting that an army of large size who have perished on the site.
However, if one is looking for news of an important scientific or historical discovery, World News Daily Report is not the place to look. WNDR is fake news site whose disclaimer notes that the site’s articles are satirical in nature:
World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within orldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.
Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax Persists
by James F. McGrath 12 Comments
Wing Nut Daily recently featured a brand new article about a very old hoax, centered on the claim that chariot wheels have been found in the Red Sea. That anyone could see the photos of relatively new and shiny metal wheels and not be skeptical astonishes me. That anyone could simply take the word of a sensationalist news source that these objects are solid gold (and hence not covered by coral) and that no one has found and removed them suggests that some people have yet to learn the difference between faith and gullibility.
One looks like it might be a ferry steering wheel, which makes me think this has less to say about the historical accuracy of the Exodus account, and more to say about whether it is a good idea to take a ferry trip on the Red Sea.
The hoax is at least as old as the charlatan Ron Wyatt. There are a wide array of sites, some explicitly by Christians, focused on exposing the lies and deceptions perpetrated by this individual.
That others have come along to try to profit from similar claims is unsurprising. That frauds can be exposed and have no effect on people’s willingness to believe is, however, disturbing.
As said previously, people explain away what they don't like (evidence doesn't matter these days). I've just done some snorkelling in the Gulf of Aqaba, and here's a six spoke chariot wheel:
You can find the same pic with the spokes marked (as well as a vertical axle and some other chariot wheels at: Notzrim
Long time hokus bogus stories by the village idiots.
Egyptian Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea-Unproven!
From: https://www.truthorfiction.com/chariot-wheels/
Summary of eRumor:
This one includes pictures of what are said to be chariot wheels that were discovered on the floor of the Red Sea, confirmation of the Biblical account of Pharaoh’s army being drowned while pursuing the Hebrews. The Biblical account says that God parted the waters to allow an escape for the Hebrews then the waters came back together when the Egyptian army tried to follow. The eRumor also says that chariots, human bones, and horse bones have been found in an area in the Gulf of Aqaba.
The Truth:
Much of this eRumor is based on the findings of Ron Wyatt, a colorful and controversial amateur archeologist who claimed to have found Noah’s ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. He was a passionate and sincere man, according to his supporters, but his critics abound and scientists and archeologists regarded him as an untrained maverick at best and there are some who regarded his as a fraud. Wyatt died from cancer in 1999.
Wyatt’s interest in the crossing of the Red Sea by the Hebrews became focused on the site of Nuweiba in Egypt because it seemed to fit some of the description of Biblical and historical accounts of the geography. It was while diving along the beach at Nuweiba that he found what he said were chariot parts.
During his first visit to Nuweiba in 1978 he found a large column lying on the beach that looked like an ancient artifact. Later he found that it had been set up by Egyptian authorities in concrete for display. He believed it to be a marker set up by King Solomon to note the crossing of the Red Sea.
It was on that same trip in 1978 that Wyatt found what he said were the remains of chariots and chariot wheels at the bottom of the sea. They were heavily covered with coral. Wyatt claimed to have retrieved one of the wheels and said an Egyptian authority declared that it was from the 18th dynasty of Ancient Egypt, but nobody seems to know where that chariot wheel is is now located.
Regarding the human bones found at the site, TruthOrFiction.com talked with Aaron Sen, one of those who has traveled to Nuweiba and who found the bones. He said the bones were authenticated as human at Stockholm University are are in the possession of professor Lennart Moller who was at Stockholm University in the late 1990s.
It was also discovered that there seems to be an underwater “bridge” of sea bed that is shallower than the depths on either side of it and that crosses from one side of the sea to the other. Wyatt said that could have been where the waters parted and made the way for the Hebrews to cross.
Wyatt’s focus on Nuweiba and his claims of finding chariot remains on the floor of the sea have brought other adventurers to the site but even Wyatt’s supporters urge caution about their enthusiastic findings. Richard Rives, the president of Wyatt Archeological Research in Tennessee, told journalist Joe Kovacs, “All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts.” Wyatt’s wife, Mary Nell, told Kovacs the same. She went diving with Wyatt at the Red Sea site and said that at first she thought everything was a chariot wheel.
The bottom line is that at this point all that seems to exist to support the claims of chariot parts on the bottom of the red sea are pictures, most of which are of coral formations. No documented artifacts have been retrieved and preserved from the site and now the Egyptian government prohibits bringing any findings to the surface to the questions may remain for a long time to come.
The bottomline is that no wheels nor other parts of chariots have been retrieved from the Red Sea. Remember this was a rather large army. If you found anything it would be far more than one or two Chariot wheels.
There are a number of chariots and chariot parts found in tombs, and pictures on tomb walls, and none of the pictures under the water match what we know of Egyptian chariots. The referenced picture is coral formation.
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Jake Wilson
New Member
Yes, I've read all that rubbish before. The unregenerate will always serve the adversary while waffling about the consensus of respected scholars and archeologists - gosh, what idiots.
Riders
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I dont see anything what are you talking about got pictures?
Jake Wilson
New Member
If I click on the links, the photos come up. You need to click on the included links.
Riders
Well-Known Member
The quote of my post is from a thread unrelated to this one.
I've no opinion about Jews & Exodus.
No chariot wheels, just coral formations.
Jake Wilson
New Member
Who proved them to be fake, the devil? I think you’re confusing this with the moon landing (I took the photos myself a week ago, and I didn’t position the wheels in the water before diving
Riders
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Who proved them to be fake, the devil? I think you’re confusing this with the moon landing (I took the photos myself a week ago, and I didn’t position the wheels in the water before diving
The article you put up says its a fake.
Riders
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Who proved them to be fake, the devil? I think you’re confusing this with the moon landing (I took the photos myself a week ago, and I didn’t position the wheels in the water before diving
Excerpt from the article.
The bottom line is that at this point all that seems to exist to support the claims of chariot parts on the bottom of the red sea are pictures, most of which are of coral formations. No documented artifacts have been retrieved and preserved from the site and now the Egyptian government prohibits bringing any findings to the surface to the questions may remain for a long time to come.
Who proved them to be fake, the devil? I think you’re confusing this with the moon landing (I took the photos myself a week ago, and I didn’t position the wheels in the water before diving
I see only coral formations, no wheels, and no wheels have been recovered as evidence of anything related to time of the claimed exodus. If recovered and dated in large numbers it may be considered evidence of the army. At present nothing!
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Riders
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I agree.
Shad
Veteran Member
This is from Ron Wyatts. He never excavated his site to prove it was even wood let alone submitted his finding to any archaeology peers. You have a picture, nothing more.