Egyptian Salafi extremists kill 4 Shiites celebrating Imam Mahdi birthday

[Assad91]

I would have to disagree. I believe Zionism is a political ideology. Its also a spiritual ideology. I do not adhere to Zionism myself. Here is the definition from Wiktionary:



Zionism - Wiktionary

In my opinion, the first definition seems to indicate a political ideology.

Here is Wikipedia:

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In my opinion, Wikipedia seems to say the same thing.

I don't see how you an disagree when I was clearly speaking of the political ideology of Zionism, not some sub-saharan religion I never heard of.

 

[danieldemol]

Islam is not a race, it is a religion, as such - people who disagree with it may be religiously biased, however they may not be necessarily racially biased.

A person who hates Arabs or Iranians, but not Islam - racist.
A person who hates Islam but not Arabs, Iranians, Indonesians, Pakistani etc - religiously biased but not racist.
A person who hates Arabs and Muslims - Racist and religious bias

 

[danieldemol]

Let me guess, you was told this by your Sheikh and you blindly follow their propaganda.

The problem is, this won't be able to end until people are prepared to question their own personal sheikhs.

If everyone tells everyone else to question, but don't question themselves, where is the possibility for progress?

Why can't we start with the view that all human beings deserve fundamental human rights and not just the people on our team?

 

[Monotheist 101]

The Salafi Movement IMO is too quick to label anyone who doesnt share similar views to them as a non- believer.

I don't necessarily agree with Shia views on the Mahdi, his birth and disappearance.

But after digging up a bit more and educating myself on the character of Ali. I will not go as far as labeling them as unbelievers, rather innovators. The man they cling to IMO is the perfect Muslim after Muhammad.

The Shias are allowed to visit the holy city of Makkah..always have..so I regard them as my slightly diverted Muslim brothers..who have a right to express their opinions no matter how bizarre they may seem.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Agreed. The Saudi government uses their oil money to fund extremist religious group that undermine the peace and stability of ME.

Lol...where is the proof...wait a sec there is non..your just fantasizing.

I could say the same thing about the US govt funding Al Qaeda in the 80's..

and The CIA's involvement in recently freeing Al Qaeda militants in Libya to rebel against Gaddafi.

What ever happened to the War on Terror..

 

[Assad91]

Islam is not a race, it is a religion, as such - people who disagree with it may be religiously biased, however they may not be necessarily racially biased.

A person who hates Arabs or Iranians, but not Islam - racist.
A person who hates Islam but not Arabs, Iranians, Indonesians, Pakistani etc - religiously biased but not racist.
A person who hates Arabs and Muslims - Racist and religious bias

No, but talking of Arabs being barbaric using sectarian tensions as evidence, IS stereotyping and generalizing

 

[Assad91]

Lol...where is the proof...wait a sec there is non..your just fantasizing.

I could say the same thing about the US govt funding Al Qaeda in the 80's..

and The CIA's involvement in recently freeing Al Qaeda militants in Libya to rebel against Gaddafi.

What ever happened to the War on Terror..

No evidence? See undercover mosque.

 

[Poeticus]

Namaste,

Why am I not surprised?

M.V.

 

[Monotheist 101]

No evidence? See undercover mosque.

Lol..whats undercover mosque?

EDIT: Whatever it is..I doubt it gives concrete evidence..linking the "Saudi Govt" with terrorism. It most likely would be something in Saudi Arabia..

 

[xkatz]

Lol...where is the proof...wait a sec there is non..your just fantasizing.

Read a Saudi textbook.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Read a Saudi textbook.

Ive read many..

The point I was trying to make which has definitely fallen on deaf ears..is that their is a difference between blaming the Saudi Govt and something that a few Saudis might be doing..

Every man should be judged based on the content of his character..not their associations..

 

[xkatz]

Every man should be judged based on the content of his character..not their associations..

How is this relevant to judging a government and it's ideology?

 

[Monotheist 101]

How is this relevant to judging a government and it's ideology?

how is your earlier response relevant to anything...read a saudi textbook...:help: I asked for proof linking the Saudi Govt to the undercover mosque....

 

[Monotheist 101]

How is this relevant to judging a government and it's ideology?

Why are you judging the Saudi based on what Egyptians are doing..read the OP...

Everyman should be judged based on their character...F the extremists..dont blame all of Egypt or all the Salafis tho..they didnt do anything to deserve it.. hope that helps.

 

[Assad91]

Ive read many..

The point I was trying to make which has definitely fallen on deaf ears..is that their is a difference between blaming the Saudi Govt and something that a few Saudis might be doing..

Every man should be judged based on the content of his character..not their associations..

We blame the Kingdom and its missionary works.

I think it is you with deaf ears.

 

[Assad91]

Why are you judging the Saudi based on what Egyptians are doing..read the OP...

It was done by slafis.

I bet they were chanting some slogan first chanted by ibn abd wahhabi, the najdi devil who helped kill many muslims.

Go ask a KSA Sheikh. Are Sufis and Shia muslim? Is their blood halal to take?

Don't beat around the bush and lie

 

[xkatz]

how is your earlier response relevant to anything...read a saudi textbook...:help: I asked for proof linking the Saudi Govt to the undercover mosque....

http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/excerpts_from_saudi_textbooks_715.pdf

A society/civilization/nation can and should be judged by it's practices and ideology IMHO. These excerpts speak for themselves.

 

[Monotheist 101]

It was done by slafis.

I bet they were chanting some slogan first chanted by ibn abd wahhabi, the najdi devil who helped kill many muslims.

Go ask a KSA Sheikh. Are Sufis and Shia muslim? Is their blood halal to take?

Don't beat around the bush and lie

Dont accuse me of lying..

Bro I believe in not forming such strong opinions atleast negative ones about people I have never met..or who passed away long before.. that includes Wahab and that includes the Khulifa Rashidun..IMO my intentions will be judged..In my books swearing at a group is way worse than keeping silent on the matter.. I am not endorsing the Wahabis but I refuse to label them devils..or anyone else for that matter...learn the basics of our religion bro..dont get caught up in matters that are secondary..

 

[Assad91]

Dont accuse me of lying..

Bro I believe in not forming such strong opinions atleast negative ones about people I have never met..or who passed away long before.. that includes Wahab and that includes the Khulifa Rashidun..IMO my intentions will be judged..In my books swearing at a group is way worse than keeping silent on the matter.. I am not endorsing the Wahabis but I refuse to label them devils..or anyone else for that matter...learn the basics of our religion bro..dont get caught up in matters that are secondary..

I know the basics well. And am pretty knowledgeable for self taught. It is clear after looking at the history and the beliefs of the "Wahhabis", they are from a devil. Even the mans own father and brother warned against him. He and his teachings have led to the spilling of thousands of innocent people.

And why are you talking of caliphes? This is irrelevant. Try to stay on topic

 

[Monotheist 101]

I know the basics well. And am pretty knowledgeable for self taught.

Blowing our own trumpet..are we?

You know the basics..yet you go around cursing Al Wahab...only God can be his judge..let the old man rest in peace..you cursing him is not going to make a difference and wrongly accusing him of being a khariji..