Egyptian Salafi extremists kill 4 Shiites celebrating Imam Mahdi birthday

[Monotheist 101]

To each his own.. Im not a fan of Wahabism or Salafism.. I have a moderate approach towards understanding and implementing my deen.. Do you guys think bickering and pointing fingers is gonna help us at all..

 

[Aamer]

Bro you say you follow the Quran alone..where in the Quran does it say you should label other Muslims..devils...there is a way to oppose them..Im afraid this is not it..How are you any different than the so called Salafis...if you start pushing labels on other groups..

Unfortunately Quranist has also become a sect..if you will.

I have as much in common with the Jews as I do Salafis. The only difference being... The Jews aren't issuing fatwas calling for my murder. I have no compassion or sense of brotherhood for Salafis. I know you're all about Muslim unity and I respect that. I was like that too when I was younger. But the fact is, it doesn't exist. I'm fine with people of all religions. But anyone issuing fatwas to kill others who don't prescribe to their ideology... I have a problem with. I can list the fatwas if you need proof.

 

[Aamer]

To each his own.. Im not a fan of Wahabism or Salafism.. I have a moderate approach towards understanding and implementing my deen.. Do you guys think bickering and pointing fingers is gonna help us at all..

No. Bickering and pointing fingers doesn't amount to anything. But when someone is doing wrong, they should be called out on it. And if it was just their religious beliefs, I'd say to each his own. But when they are enforcing their beliefs on others and giving fatwas on who it's ok to murder or not murder... They have transgressed all bounds. Those sheikhs should be DEALT WITH for spreading hate and violence. I'm not attacking ALL Saudis. I'm attacking their religious leaders. And I'm saying the majority of their country is brainwashed and follow their clergy blindly. This ignorance and intolerance is spreading to other countries thanks to the power of oil money. I understand your point about judging individually. I agree. But do you think it's right to sit back and let their hatred and violence spread? When does it end?

 

[Assad91]

You do belong to a sect. It says 'Qur'anist Islam' as your religion, whatever that's supposed to mean. The Shias are the biggest problem in the Mid East. That includes Hezbollah and Iran.

Can you give actual proof? Or just senseless conspiracy theories? Last I checked the worst thing in the Middle East were the Sunni leaders who suck up to the west, alongside the AQ who killl muslim citizens

 

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I don't think following the Quran alone is a sect. It's the word of God. Perhaps I should change my "label" to Quran Alone Monotheist. It's more accurate.

Yes it is a sect. Good luck with understanding the Qur'an without the hadith mate.

 

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Can you give actual proof? Or just senseless conspiracy theories? Last I checked the worst thing in the Middle East were the Sunni leaders who suck up to the west, alongside the AQ who killl muslim citizens

No, it's the shia hezbollah terrorists and their cronies in Iran who fund worldwide terror.

 

[Assad91]

No, it's the shia hezbollah terrorists and their cronies in Iran who fund worldwide terror.

Yeah because, Osama bin Laden were Shia. And plus the Pakistani Taliban who shoots little girls and blow up Sufi shrines is Shia too, right? Not to mention all the Salafi devils, er I mean Sheikhs, who legitimize killing Muslims.

BTW, you gave no proof.

 

[Aamer]

Yes it is a sect. Good luck with understanding the Qur'an without the hadith mate.

[54:17] We made the Quran easy to understand. Do any of you wish to learn?

 

[Monotheist 101]

[54:17] We made the Quran easy to understand. Do any of you wish to learn?

3:31. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
3:32. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)."...
3:132. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may obtain mercy.
4:13. ...and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will be admitted to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), to abide therein, and that will be the great success.
4:59. O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...
4:64. We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed...
4:69. And whosoever obeys Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace...
4:80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah...
5:92. And obey Allah and the Messenger...
8:1. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), if you are believers.
8:20. O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him (Messenger Muhammad SAW)...
8:46. And obey Allah and His Messenger...
9:71. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...
24:52. And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW), fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful ones.
24:54. Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...
24:56. ...and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may receive mercy (from Allah).
33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow...
33:33. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...
33:71. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement.
47:33. O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...
48:17. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow (Paradise)...
59:7. ...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)...
64:12. Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...




Although I agree that all the Hadith shouldnt be accepted as Sahih (especially the weak Shia chains of narration).. I dont agree with completely rejecting them.. Alot of good can be found in them.


A strict Quran only approach IMO leaves it open to interpretation by the reader..and you get famous Quranist Scholars like Rashad Khalifa coming up with blasphemous theories to fit their purposes..


Aamer Bro I am also interested in how Quranists pray?..where did you find that in the Quran? How many times a day?

 

[Monotheist 101]

No. Bickering and pointing fingers doesn't amount to anything. But when someone is doing wrong, they should be called out on it. And if it was just their religious beliefs, I'd say to each his own. But when they are enforcing their beliefs on others and giving fatwas on who it's ok to murder or not murder... They have transgressed all bounds. Those sheikhs should be DEALT WITH for spreading hate and violence. I'm not attacking ALL Saudis. I'm attacking their religious leaders. And I'm saying the majority of their country is brainwashed and follow their clergy blindly. This ignorance and intolerance is spreading to other countries thanks to the power of oil money. I understand your point about judging individually. I agree. But do you think it's right to sit back and let their hatred and violence spread? When does it end?

No sitting back isnt an option..but neither is attacking them or attributing the worship of Sheikhs to them the right way to move forward. We should spread awareness and educate the people of their(the individuals involved) un-Islamic teachings. Im afraid hatred only breeds more hatred, I respect your outlook on being heavily critical of the Hadith..but I am afraid there is still alot of lessons to be learned from them..IMO you should ignore the extreme/confusing stuff that conflicts the Quran, the Hadith is not comparable to the Quran..but not ALL the Hadith are conflicting the Quran..

Also brother what is Salafi or Wahabi? Do you think if a group of Quranist start promoting Rashad Khalifas theory of removing two verses from the Quran...all the Quranists should be labelled as Rashadis?

Please brother read Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani's various works and judge whether the Salafis today are following his teachings or just deriving their name from him.

Also read Kitab at-Tawhid and Usul al-Iman by ibn Abdul- Al Wahab and judge for yourself whether this guy was the devil as most people are labeling him these days..I for one refuse to label people who have passed devils or non-muslims, let Allah be their judge. We dont have to spoil our faith over it.

I will state again that opposing the radicals and extremists of today is necessary but not through the use of harsh words and labelling whole countries and communities as blind followers.. God has given each of us a brain..maybe they donot agree with the accusations being made..

Anyhow I have realized that discussing these issues as some sort of authority is not what Allah wants us to do...be it Sunni or Shia Hadith or be it Quranic revelation..Allah wants us to concentrate on the basics IMO..the 5 pillars..

I will say again Hatred only breeds more hatred..

 

[Assad91]

Please brother read Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani's various works and judge whether the Salafis today are following his teachings or just deriving their name from him.

Al-Albani was caught lying in his books. He was an anthropomorphist, as is many salafis.

 

[Assad91]

Also read Kitab at-Tawhid and Usul al-Iman by ibn Abdul- Al Wahab and judge for yourself whether this guy was the devil

So, making a popular books absolves one from teaching the majority of Muslims are kafr, and therefore okay to take their blood? Not to mention destroying graves.

Maybe Obama will write a good book and you will defend him too lol

 

[Monotheist 101]

Al-Albani was caught lying in his books. He was an anthropomorphist, as is many salafis.

So you think the Salafi extremists are deriving their interpretation of Islam from Al-Albani?

 

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Yeah because, Osama bin Laden were Shia. And plus the Pakistani Taliban who shoots little girls and blow up Sufi shrines is Shia too, right? Not to mention all the Salafi devils, er I mean Sheikhs, who legitimize killing Muslims.

BTW, you gave no proof.

Shia Iran is the chief sponsor of worldwide terror.

 

[Monotheist 101]

So, making a popular books absolves one from teaching the majority of Muslims are kafr, and therefore okay to take their blood? Not to mention destroying graves.

Maybe Obama will write a good book and you will defend him too lol

Shaikh Abdul Wahhab said: "And we do not declare them infidels who on account of ignorance and lack of guidance worship those idols which are built on the graves of (Shaikh) Abdul Qadir, Ahmad Badwi, and other elders like them, then how can we call them infidels who are not guilty of committing the sin of polytheism or did not come to us by migration and have not been guilty of committing any kufr."

On the issue of those who have abandoned worship and the issue of grave worshippers:
Ahmad bin Nasir bin Usman Muammari Najdi (disciple of Abdul Wahhab) said before the ulema of the Haram Sharif in 1211: "The Shaikh did takfir of only those idolators who asked for boons from the saints and the virtuous, those who committed shirk and polytheism even after receiving full proof and clarification about the way of God. And moreover they were the first to initiate the war. It was then that the Shaikh battled with them and shed their blood. Under such circumstances the Quran, the sunnah and the ijma are all in his support."

Common Myths against the Abdul Wahhab/Movement

 

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[54:17] We made the Quran easy to understand. Do any of you wish to learn?

That's false. That's not what it says and I'm not surprised you're fabricating your own Qur'an. This is what the Qur'an actually says: وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ

The word "Dhikr" does not mean understand, it means to remember, that's a no-brainer in the arabic language.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Shia Iran is the chief sponsor of worldwide terror.

I dont know about that.. but the Shias do seem a tad bit too concerned with how wrong other sects are..IMO a sad state where they are blinded/veiled from the basics of Shirk..

There is a Imam Barga in my neighborhood.. Last night I heard them say.."Should I invoke Allah, or should I invoke Ali"..

Anyhow bro dont waste your breath, it is a lost cause IMO..they will realize when Hazrat Ali will want nothing to do with them on the day of judgement.. And they say they hold a middle ground with regards to him..

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126

Ali says:“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.”


Hazrat Ali would have you killed Assad...:yes:

 

[Assad91]

Shia Iran is the chief sponsor of worldwide terror.

Ah, I see. Again, nothing but air and no evidence

 

[Assad91]

I dont know about that.. but the Shias do seem a tad bit too concerned with how wrong other sects are..IMO a sad state where they are blinded/veiled from the basics of Shirk..

There is a Imam Barga in my neighborhood.. Last night I heard them say.."Should I invoke Allah, or should I invoke Ali"..

Anyhow bro dont waste your breath, it is a lost cause IMO..they will realize when Hazrat Ali will want nothing to do with them on the day of judgement.. And they say they hold a middle ground with regards to him..

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126

Ali says:“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.”


Hazrat Ali would have you killed Assad...:yes:

I think he would've killed you first as you are the one who started this.

 

[Monotheist 101]

I think he would've killed you first as you are the one who started this.

Lol if you think asking you to stop spreading lies about ibn Abd Al Wahab is starting this..than I am guilty..