Election [I]was[/I] stolen -- but not by Russian hacking.

[metis]

Yes liberals certanily have stuffed up the country, and warmongers do need more soldiers, and expensive weapons coasting billions of dollars, this is what Trump realizes and is going and have already done something about it, yes Trump is the man for the job.

So, liberals are "warmongers"? Maybe as compared to pacifists they are. If "liberals" are supposedly warmongers, what do you consider "conservatives" to be?

 

[psychoslice]

An interesting take you have. May I ask, who is pulling the puppet's strings...the liberals? Or is it an entity far more sinister?

Who really knows, you can't trust the FBI or the elected, this is why they don't want Trump in office, they had good for too long while destroying everyone who don't agree with them, I just hope Trump won't get killed by this evil festering secret club of low life's.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Even now liberals seem intent to start a war with Russia, likely intended to distract Trump from his task at hand.

Uh, what?

Where on earth did you come up with that? Honestly, where did you read/hear/invent that? This is borderline Orwellian for anyone to blindly believe this, and I don't use that term lightly.

Nobody wants a war with Russia, least of all liberals. That is patently false.

I keep saying this again and again. . . If you need a conspiracy theory to believe that your leader is good and any oppostion to him is an enemy, then you are probably a lost cause.

It is NOT normal to think this way.

 

[Sonofason]

Who really knows, you can't trust the FBI or the elected, this is why they don't want Trump in office, they had good for too long while destroying everyone who don't agree with them, I just hope Trump won't get killed by this evil festering secret club of low life's.

Time will tell.

 

[psychoslice]

You gotta be kidding.

BTW, did you actually listen to any of Trump's speeches about what he'd like to do in Syria and possibly elsewhere? Are you aware he has already nominated three generals?

Obama did his best to try and keep us out of war even though he found it too difficult to withdraw altogether from conflicts we were in that he didn't start. Unlike Trump, Obama was opposed to going into Iraq from the get-go.

Trump knows next to nothing about foreign policy and strategy connected to that, which makes him prone to accepting bad advice while not doing his homework, and even some of his fellow Republicans are really concerned about this.

So you are lead to believe, of course Trump will stand up to what needs to be delt with, but Obama wants to bring the US to it's knees by anyway he can, his last speech about the Russians was descusting, the sooner he gets out the better.

 

[metis]

So you are lead to believe, of course Trump will stand up to what needs to be delt with, but Obama wants to bring the US to it's knees by anyway he can, his last speech about the Russians was descusting, the sooner he gets the better.

OK, if you say so.

 

[Sonofason]

Uh, what?

Where on earth did you come up with that? Honestly, where did you read/hear/invent that? This is borderline Orwellian for anyone to blindly believe this, and I don't use that term lightly.

Nobody wants a war with Russia, least of all liberals. That is patently false.

I keep saying this again and again. . . If you need a conspiracy theory to believe that your leader is good and any oppostion to him is an enemy, then you are probably a lost cause.

It is NOT normal to think this way.

You're answers are just one click away.
Google

 

[psychoslice]

Time will tell.

Yes, as long as there is no one to suppress the truth, it will in time surface.

 

[psychoslice]

OK, if you say so.

Yes this is my opinion only, its far too complicated to truly know the truth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but it does show the anti-gun policies of the Dem's

That's not really anti-gun. I do hope that's not the best example you can find. I myself am for regulation and gun control, but I'm not anti-gun.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you are lead to believe, of course Trump will stand up to what needs to be delt with, but Obama wants to bring the US to it's knees by anyway he can,

Funny you say that, even though Obama helped improve America's international image tremendously from the shambles Bush Jr. left it in. Ending two bankrupting wars didn't bring America to its knees, it helped save it.

 

[psychoslice]

Funny you say that, even though Obama helped improve America's international image tremendously from the shambles Bush Jr. left it in. Ending two bankrupting wars didn't bring America to its knees, it helped save it.

Yes they did some good, but if they had their way they would get away with murder........Shhh, they already have.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not after Trump gets in there. The News should be telling truth, or go tell it on the gossip station.

I do think the bar should be lowered.
The press are rarely held accountable for harm they cause thru carelessness.
You say Trump will change this.
I doubt he'll prevail.

"Truth"....a tricky thing.
I'm sure many "news" people believe that campaigning for their favored candidate is being truthful.
But to believe opinion & preference are fact is at best erroneous.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The media are abuzz with discussions of convincing -- but secret -- CIA/FBI evidence of Russian election hacking, but is this just a diversion from the real elephant in the room: voter suppression?

There were the usual long lines and lack of voting forms in minority districts; the usual caging and changed polling places, and the gerrymandered districts carefully drawn by sophisticated computer algorithms, but this was the first general election in 50 years without the protections of the Voting Rights Act, and the GOP has gone into overdrive instituting new, restrictive voting regulations. The result: millions of legitimate voters disenfranchised, and millions of (mostly Democratic) votes purged.

Republicans were wildly successful at suppressing voters in 2016


Comments? reactions? conclusions?

But the most effective voter suppression too was Interstate crosscheck, applied specifically to suppress minority voters.
The GOP's Stealth War Against Voters


The details:
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast
And the (rather melodramatic) video:
Petition to release the names on the "Crosscheck" voter purge list

Who'd a thunk liberals would have been such sore losers? Aren't they supposed to be inclusive?

Fundamentally, liberals/democrats/socialists hate the core principle of democracy, that the common citizen gets to decide what's best for themselves. They make no secret of this. In their bubble; the elite deserve power by virtue of their [self professed] superiority. A tragically familiar old story, that the founding fathers vehemently fought against. The resurgence of this old-world ideology among liberals, has been glaringly exposed in this election, keep it up!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fundamentally, liberals/democrats/socialists hate the core principle of democracy, that the common citizen gets to decide what's best for themselves.

Clearly, that didn't happen. The common citizen decided, but the privileged few are not going with what the common citizen chose. And because of these "chosen electors," millions of votes from the common citizens really don't get counted or considered.

 

[Acim]

Clearly, that didn't happen. The common citizen decided, but the privileged few are not going with what the common citizen chose. And because of these "chosen electors," millions of votes from the common citizens really don't get counted or considered.

Except in every other post on RF by liberals. Other than that, and probably all other Dem pundits, it is not considered, at all.

It would be weird if it got counted, cause then we'd know the number of votes that Hillary had compared to Trump. I wonder if anyone will ever 'consider' that exact number. Wait a second, what I meant to say is I wonder if any Dem will consider that number less than 10 times a day for the next 4 (to 8) years.

 

[Sonofason]

Who'd a thunk liberals would have been such sore losers? Aren't they supposed to be inclusive?

Fundamentally, liberals/democrats/socialists hate the core principle of democracy, that the common citizen gets to decide what's best for themselves. They make no secret of this. In their bubble; the elite deserve power by virtue of their [self professed] superiority. A tragically familiar old story, that the founding fathers vehemently fought against. The resurgence of this old-world ideology among liberals, has been glaringly exposed in this election, keep it up!

Yeah how dare the Dems not accept the results of the election after shaming Trump for even suggesting that he would need to take a look at the results before accepting them. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

[UpperLimits]

The media are abuzz with discussions of convincing -- but secret -- CIA/FBI evidence of Russian election hacking, but is this just a diversion from the real elephant in the room: voter suppression?

There were the usual long lines and lack of voting forms in minority districts; the usual caging and changed polling places, and the gerrymandered districts carefully drawn by sophisticated computer algorithms, but this was the first general election in 50 years without the protections of the Voting Rights Act, and the GOP has gone into overdrive instituting new, restrictive voting regulations. The result: millions of legitimate voters disenfranchised, and millions of (mostly Democratic) votes purged.

Republicans were wildly successful at suppressing voters in 2016


Comments? reactions? conclusions?

Doesn't look like too much purging to me. Seems that in the initial counts, Democrats had gotten a few "extra votes" in Michigan.

This has been in the Detroit News for days. I was wondering when it would finally make it into the mainstream media. Tell me, why is it that ONLY the places (Detroit City and Wayne County) where Democrats won, that the voting records are showing these kinds of irregularities?

By the way, Broward County, Florida - one of the few counties where Clinton also won - nationally, she won only 437 (number corrected, Dec 18/16) counties out of over 3000 - apparently had about 137% voter turn out. One has to wonder if they shouldn't consider recounting the entire nation. Or, perhaps just the counties where she "won."

 

[idav]

Yeah how dare the Dems not accept the results of the election after shaming Trump for even suggesting that he would need to take a look at the results before accepting them. Talk about hypocrisy.

The election results are fine but the cyber war will get worse now. I'm tired of NSA spying and hackers getting a hold of emails. Can you imagine how much Info they got off people's Yahoo!'s, imagine if they did that to gmail.

 

[Sonofason]

The election results are fine but the cyber war will get worse now. I'm tired of NSA spying and hackers getting a hold of emails. Can you imagine how much Info they got off people's Yahoo!'s, imagine if they did that to gmail.

I don't really care that much. I realize that an end to privacy has been coming for quite some time. This is my advice for those that desire to keep something secret, they ought to keep their secrets to themselves. And I would suggest that Yahoo and Gmail do not merit inclusion as being part of that which I would define as one's self. There is no email that I would ever write that included information that I considered private. Perhaps our dealings from these days forth ought to be face to face.