Elective Disease

[Revoltingest]

Well, you're saying I should be denied healthcare. How can I not take that personally?

Making it about yourself, I'll address it that way.
You choose no vaccination.
This is a choice of high risk for severe Covid 19.
You want treatment while others are turned away.
Why should your poor choice harm them first?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They argue they should get priority over others.

Who is saying that? I haven't seen any unjabbed people say we should get priority over anyone. I say it's a case by case basis. It's like if you're shot in the foot, the person shot in the back should be seen in the ER before you if they had to choose, even if I'm the one shot in the foot.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Making it about yourself, I'll address it that way.
You choose no vaccination.
This is a choice of high risk for severe Covid 19.
You want treatment while others are turned away.
Why should your poor choice harm them first?

Now you're making up things I never said.

 

[Quetzal]

Yes, don't take it personally when people say a group you're part of should be denied medical care.

If you believe that is the argument of this thread, one of two things: I have made myself unclear or you are misunderstanding the discussion. I can remedy one of those things. I do not believe they should be denied medical care. I am stating that I am unsure how medical resources should be distributed when hospitals are full. I am also unsure how the priority for new admissions should work when there are limited beds.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I said it's based on need and severity of illness. If an unjabbed person is sicker than a jabbed person, why prioritize the jabbed person, if not for spitefulness?

The unvaxed person chose the severe form of the disease.
Let that choice guide prioritization in times of shortage.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you believe that is the argument of this thread, one of two things: I have made myself unclear or you are misunderstanding the discussion. I can remedy one of those things. I do not believe they should be denied medical care. I am stating that I am unsure how medical resources should be distributed when hospitals are full.

I didn't say you said those things. I've been going back and forth with Revoltingest. He is saying those sorts of things.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now you're making up things I never said.

I try to infer your true meaning.
If you took this less personally,
it would be easier.

 

[Quetzal]

I didn't say you said those things. I've been going back and forth with Revoltingest. He is saying those sorts of things.

I did not read them this way.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The unvaxed person chose the severe form of the disease.
Let that choice guide prioritization in times of shortage.

Jabbed people can get severely sick and die from it. The unjabbed person may be less sick than the jabbed person. So why does their jab status even matter? It doesn't, really. It depends on the individual case. Making it about something else is just spitefulness or worse.

 

[Revoltingest]

Applying a demonizing label of “anti-gazer” serves no purpose. There are foolish and wise among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

What on Earth are you talking about..."anti-gazer"?
I'm dealing with people who refuse vaccination
(many of whom also fight masks & separation).
This irresponsibility shouldn't be incentivized
& generate medical priority over others.

 

[Wu Wei]

What about their behavior causing care to be restricted
to others? Anti-vaxers talk about caring...but only for
themselves.

Frankly I think there is enough self-centered lack of caring, fear, vitriol and and irrational anger on both sides of the issue. And pointing fingers at each other and saying its all your fault....gets us absolutely nowhere....except right back to where it started

 

[Revoltingest]

Who is saying that?

In the context of overwhelmed hospitals, anti-vaxers
with severe Covid 19 are demanding that treatment
not be denied them. This means that others would
be denied because of limited resources.
I'd prioritize others over anti-vaxers.

 

[Quetzal]

And pointing fingers at each other and saying its all your fault....gets us absolutely nowhere....except right back to where it started

Normally I agree, however, I am inclined to believe that our current predicament has been made worse by people refusing vaccinations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Jabbed people can get severely sick and die from it.

This overlooks probability. Vaccinated people are
less likely to get severe Covid. Moreover, their
infections are shorter, & therefore pose less of a
risk of transmission to others.

 

[Revoltingest]

Frankly I think there is enough self-centered lack of caring, fear, vitriol and and irrational anger on both sides of the issue.

That complaint doesn't address the ongoing discussion here.
Any thoughts about the OP?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In the context of overwhelmed hospitals, anti-vaxers
with severe Covid 19 are demanding that treatment
not be denied them. This means that others would
be denied because of limited resources.
I'd prioritize others over anti-vaxers.

Not denying treatment to someone is different from saying a group should be prioritized over others. I have not seen a good reason to deny treatment to anyone. This is just looking like hatefulness.

 

[Wu Wei]

Normally I agree, however, I am inclined to believe that our current predicament has been made worse by people refusing vaccinations.

It very likely could be, but getting angry, pointing fingers and calling them evil, selfish or an idiot...is most certainly not helping matters.

Also, some are running with disinformation the got from the internet that scared them off the vaccine. Likely that is a small part of it, but it is part of it

 

[Quetzal]

It very likely could be, but getting angry, pointing fingers and calling them evil, selfish or an idiot...is most certainly not helping matters.

Also, some are running with disinformation the got from the internet that scared them off the vaccine. Likely that is a small part of it, but it is part of it

Yep, I recognize that. But at what else do those individuals need? Misinformation is disproven over time and as more statistics enforce the effectiveness of the vaccine, that excuse loses its strength.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not denying treatment to someone is different from saying a group should be prioritized over others. I have not seen a good reason to deny treatment to anyone. This is just looking like hatefulness.

Read the OP.
It's about prioritization, which you keep ignoring.
I don't want to continue addressing your taking
offense at your own highly personal strawman.

 

[Wu Wei]

That complaint doesn't address the ongoing discussion here.
Any thoughts about the OP?

Oooh you get dismissive when you don't like what you read..... It does address the OP based on how you stated your position. But I will leave the discussion if my presence, and point of view is inconvenient and interfering with your ranting