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Elon Musk personally thwarted a Ukrainian attack and saved the Russian Navy

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Elon Musk personally thwarted a Ukrainian attack and saved the Russian Navy

CNN reports that a portion of author Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography of the man who made Twitter, the site now known as X, safe for antisemitism shows that Elon Musk had a direct hand in thwarting a Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy. His actions may have prolonged the war and cost the lives of Ukrainian civilians. They certainly assisted Russia’s ability to terrorize both Ukraine and the Black Sea.

Russia’s illegal, unprovoked invasion of Ukraine came just as satellite internet service through SpaceX’s Starlink system was becoming widely available. At first, access to this new means of communication seemed like a godsend for Ukraine. The terminals were relatively small, relatively secure, and easily set up in forward areas without a lot of infrastructure. With Russia regularly bombing Ukraine’s electrical grid and frequently targeting communications hubs, Starlink offered a way for Ukraine’s civilian and military agencies to stay in contact even when towers and lines were in rubble.

Then SpaceX began turning off terminals, blocking access in some areas of Ukraine, and limiting Ukraine’s use of the system. All of this may have culminated in Musk single-handedly deciding to prevent Ukraine from striking Russian warships off the Crimean coast.

Russia currently has a fleet of nearly 50 warships in the Black Sea. Those warships have frequently served as missile platforms for launching attacks on Ukrainian cities and are responsible for some of the most horrific attacks on civilian homes in the war. The ships have also been used to stop commercial traffic on the Black Sea and threaten ships hauling grain from Ukrainian ports.

Ukraine has successfully made use of drone boats to attack this fleet. That includes an attack last month in which a Ukrainian drone caused extensive damage to a Russian warship followed by an attack on the Kerch Bridge, which Russia uses to transport weapons and ammunition into Crimea and other areas in southern Ukraine. An attack last year succeeded in damaging the current flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.

Russia has managed to stop some of these surface drones, but Ukraine has developed something potentially even more effective in taking out Russian warships: submarine drones. These include the Toloka, which was developed last year, and the newer, larger Marichka. Operating with just a small camera and communications pod above water, these drones could be much more effective in getting past Russian defenses.

For Ukraine, taking out these ships is not a matter of offense. They’re not trying to conquer the Black Sea. They’re trying to end a threat that can, at any moment, throw hypersonic weapons into the middle of their cities, resulting in massive civilian casualties. The naval drones that Ukraine is employing in this task are designed specifically to address removing this threat.

According to the CNN report, Musk explicitly ordered engineers to “turn off his company’s Starlink satellite communications network near the Crimean coast last year to disrupt a Ukrainian sneak attack on the Russian naval fleet.” That left the drones, which had already been sent on their way toward Russian ships, drifting without targets or control. They reportedly “lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly.”

In other words, Musk intervened in the battle and provided a big win for Russia, defeating months of construction and planning on the part of Ukraine. That action preserved Russian warships, which are regularly attacking civilian targets in Ukrainian cities.

According to Isaacson’s book, Musk claimed that he took this action because he was concerned that Russia would respond with a nuclear attack, a threat that is often made by Russian state media and propagandists. It’s not surprising that Musk would parrot this claim since he has admitted that he has directly spoken with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. Apparently, phone calls with Putin are not the only contact Musk has with Russia. According to CNN’s reading of Isaacson’s book, those nuclear fears were “driven home by Musk’s conversations with senior Russian officials.”

Last October, Musk provided his own plan for ending the war in Ukraine. That plan involved Ukraine giving territory to Russia, including saying that Crimea should be “formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).” Musk’s plan also included Ukraine agreeing to not join NATO or the EU. This plan absolutely mirrored talking points that have appeared on Russia propaganda outlets, and their use by Musk reportedly horrified both some of his fans and his employees.

When Musk ran a poll on Twitter asking about support for this plan, it lost decisively. Musk then blamed that loss on bots. His Twitter poll also brought a robust response from Ukrainian diplomat Andrij Melnyk:

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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Elon Musk personally thwarted a Ukrainian attack and saved the Russian Navy

CNN reports that a portion of author Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography of the man who made Twitter, the site now known as X, safe for antisemitism shows that Elon Musk had a direct hand in thwarting a Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy. His actions may have prolonged the war and cost the lives of Ukrainian civilians. They certainly assisted Russia’s ability to terrorize both Ukraine and the Black Sea.

Russia’s illegal, unprovoked invasion of Ukraine came just as satellite internet service through SpaceX’s Starlink system was becoming widely available. At first, access to this new means of communication seemed like a godsend for Ukraine. The terminals were relatively small, relatively secure, and easily set up in forward areas without a lot of infrastructure. With Russia regularly bombing Ukraine’s electrical grid and frequently targeting communications hubs, Starlink offered a way for Ukraine’s civilian and military agencies to stay in contact even when towers and lines were in rubble.

Then SpaceX began turning off terminals, blocking access in some areas of Ukraine, and limiting Ukraine’s use of the system. All of this may have culminated in Musk single-handedly deciding to prevent Ukraine from striking Russian warships off the Crimean coast.

Russia currently has a fleet of nearly 50 warships in the Black Sea. Those warships have frequently served as missile platforms for launching attacks on Ukrainian cities and are responsible for some of the most horrific attacks on civilian homes in the war. The ships have also been used to stop commercial traffic on the Black Sea and threaten ships hauling grain from Ukrainian ports.

Ukraine has successfully made use of drone boats to attack this fleet. That includes an attack last month in which a Ukrainian drone caused extensive damage to a Russian warship followed by an attack on the Kerch Bridge, which Russia uses to transport weapons and ammunition into Crimea and other areas in southern Ukraine. An attack last year succeeded in damaging the current flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.

Russia has managed to stop some of these surface drones, but Ukraine has developed something potentially even more effective in taking out Russian warships: submarine drones. These include the Toloka, which was developed last year, and the newer, larger Marichka. Operating with just a small camera and communications pod above water, these drones could be much more effective in getting past Russian defenses.

For Ukraine, taking out these ships is not a matter of offense. They’re not trying to conquer the Black Sea. They’re trying to end a threat that can, at any moment, throw hypersonic weapons into the middle of their cities, resulting in massive civilian casualties. The naval drones that Ukraine is employing in this task are designed specifically to address removing this threat.

According to the CNN report, Musk explicitly ordered engineers to “turn off his company’s Starlink satellite communications network near the Crimean coast last year to disrupt a Ukrainian sneak attack on the Russian naval fleet.” That left the drones, which had already been sent on their way toward Russian ships, drifting without targets or control. They reportedly “lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly.”

In other words, Musk intervened in the battle and provided a big win for Russia, defeating months of construction and planning on the part of Ukraine. That action preserved Russian warships, which are regularly attacking civilian targets in Ukrainian cities.

According to Isaacson’s book, Musk claimed that he took this action because he was concerned that Russia would respond with a nuclear attack, a threat that is often made by Russian state media and propagandists. It’s not surprising that Musk would parrot this claim since he has admitted that he has directly spoken with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. Apparently, phone calls with Putin are not the only contact Musk has with Russia. According to CNN’s reading of Isaacson’s book, those nuclear fears were “driven home by Musk’s conversations with senior Russian officials.”

Last October, Musk provided his own plan for ending the war in Ukraine. That plan involved Ukraine giving territory to Russia, including saying that Crimea should be “formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).” Musk’s plan also included Ukraine agreeing to not join NATO or the EU. This plan absolutely mirrored talking points that have appeared on Russia propaganda outlets, and their use by Musk reportedly horrified both some of his fans and his employees.

When Musk ran a poll on Twitter asking about support for this plan, it lost decisively. Musk then blamed that loss on bots. His Twitter poll also brought a robust response from Ukrainian diplomat Andrij Melnyk:

. . . . continued at link
What a hero.

I mean, a national hero.

I mean, a Russian national hero.

I mean, actually, a villain.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What do you call someone who aids and abets the wartime enemy of our ally? I know what I'd call him.

Alliance still counts...in the West, by chance?
Considering what was done by the Obama administration in the old continent?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
To be fair I need to point out that the Daily Kos fails as a source the same reasons that too many right wing sources have. It is highly biased and has a "Mixed" rating when it comes to reliability. In other words any of their claims should be taken with a huge grain of salt:


But if true, he may have opened himself up to endless lawsuits that could possibly bankrupt even him. Not to mention possible criminal sanctions.
 

Whateverist

Active Member
To be fair I need to point out that the Daily Kos fails as a source the same reasons that too many right wing sources have. It is highly biased and has a "Mixed" rating when it comes to reliability. In other words any of their claims should be taken with a huge grain of salt:


But if true, he may have opened himself up to endless lawsuits that could possibly bankrupt even him. Not to mention possible criminal sanctions.

Yet even a stopped clock can occasionally give the correct time. If it checks out, it is time to prevent billionaire bad boys from acquiring toys of mass destruction.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yet even a stopped clock can occasionally give the correct time. If it checks out, it is time to prevent billionaire bad boys from acquiring toys of mass destruction.
The work definitely demands further investigation. And yes, I agree with you. I would not mind such an action bankrupting the man and some prison time on top of it would be more than fair considering the many lives that he likely cost.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Or because some people go out of their way to become an enemy. Like when a dictator attacks a neighboring country for false reasons.
If Italy, for example, persecuted the Germans of South Tyrol and prevented them from speaking German, Austria would probably want to invade South Tyrol to conquer it and save the German-speaking population. Who could blame her?

So...honestly...I don't see why I need to apply different standards on Russia.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
If Italy, for example, persecuted the Germans of South Tyrol and prevented them from speaking German, Austria would probably want to invade South Tyrol to conquer it and save the German-speaking population. Who could blame her?

So...honestly...I don't see why I need to apply different standards on Russia.
Americans have always gotten their noses bent out of shape at the mere mention of Russia, and now this "unprovoked" attack, my oh my.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If Italy, for example, persecuted the Germans of South Tyrol and prevented them from speaking German, Austria would probably want to invade South Tyrol to conquer it and save the German-speaking population. Who could blame her?

So...honestly...I don't see why I need to apply different standards on Russia.
Sane people know that war and invasion in response ti such a thing as an extreme overreaction.
Hiw about we, the United States of America, militarily steam roll Italy due to the Vatican harboring pedophiles who are wanted fugitives of the law?
 

lukethethird

unknown member
Sane people know that war and invasion in response ti such a thing as an extreme overreaction.
Hiw about we, the United States of America, militarily steam roll Italy due to the Vatican harboring pedophiles who are wanted fugitives of the law?
How about confining the steam rolling to the Vatican?
 
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