Ending The Shutdown Is More Important Than Who Wins

[esmith]

As long as it is not too crisp.

 

[tytlyf]

As long as it is not too crisp.

"The seven laws listed by the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 56a are: to have laws and courts for the society, and to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry, a set of six forbidden sexual relationships, murder, theft, and eating flesh that was removed from a living animal"

"So I started living as a Noahide. I started learning about the laws, and I stopped eating pork and shellfish, as a way of understanding Judaism.”

Uhoh

 

[Misunderstood]

The Trump is never going to get his wall, the American people don't want it. Especially that the American people don't want their tax dollars paying for something Mexico was promised to pay for.
That little campaign line about the wall would have been stupid if everyone chanted "We're paying for the wall!"
I voted for #3 because there will be no wall and the gov't will reopen once the Trump compromises and realizes he's still a horrible deal maker.

tytlyf, can I ask if you are directly affected by the shut down, in that you or someone close to you are having to go to work and are not being paid? I have two who are working for no pay.

Should I tell them that they should continue working for a whole year as Trump has threatened it could go that long. Because the American people and yourself included feel it is more important for congress to make Trump look incompetent and bad while spending even more than the wall will cost than to even try to negotiate?

 

[Revoltingest]

As long as it is not too crisp.

You may assume that it's cooked to your taste.
Also that it's cured in your preferred manner.

 

[Ponder This]

If "ending the shutdown is more important than who wins"... then it doesn't matter if Trump gets the funding for the Wall.

if it really matters if Trump gets the funding for the Wall... then ending the shutdown is not more important than who wins.

 

[sayak83]

The longer the shutdown goes, the more it helps Trump. So while I think he'd be willing to end it in a hot minute, he's not going to if he doesn't have to. The only people screwed by this are Democrats, since the bulk of the government workforce is largely Democratic union folks. Anyway, the Dems can continue refusing to negotiate, he'll just declare an emergency and get the cash anyway. Meanwhile, they're sitting there probably still trying to figure out why they failed to stop the wall.

On the wall, Trump doesn't have to give an inch. Whether they can figure that out or not, and get something of what they want, who knows.

Trump can get money from the millitary funding by declaring emergency. Let him do that. Democrats will like that.

 

[sayak83]

tytlyf, can I ask if you are directly affected by the shut down, in that you or someone close to you are having to go to work and are not being paid? I have two who are working for no pay.

Should I tell them that they should continue working for a whole year as Trump has threatened it could go that long. Because the American people and yourself included feel it is more important for congress to make Trump look incompetent and bad while spending even more than the wall will cost than to even try to negotiate?

Democrats should raise fund to support those who have been furloughed due to Trump's refusal to run the government.

 

[Misunderstood]

Democrats should raise fund to support those who have been furloughed due to Trump's refusal to run the government.

Thank you, for the support sayak83. I just don't think that would go to far, but it would be nice to see them trying to help, however I feel the republicans should be included in raising this fund.

I think all of Congress and the executive offices should go without pay as well. If they are having problems funding the government they should feel the pain also, instead of using their employees as pawns.

 

[Mindmaster]

Trump can get money from the millitary funding by declaring emergency. Let him do that. Democrats will like that.

Yeah, because I don't think for the most part they're highly educated voters.

Trump gets his wall either way, so the point of their antics are what, exactly? They're not standing up to Trump, they're not even really in a position to stop him from doing it. Certainly, they could stop him from doing other things, but the national emergency funds, the allocation of defense resources, and whatnot are completely his wheelhouse. They have less than no power over the matter, but my guess here is just that Trump rather do it the normal way. There's nothing stopping him from just doing it and telling them to **** off, however.

So, all they really do is illustrate their lack of control or influence in the matter. If they warmed up to Trump and cooperated they'd look to their voter base like they could change things and get him to do what they want. I guess, to me, that'd be a better scenario for them. Currently, they have about the impact of a spoiled child, it just isn't going to do anything for them.

 

[sayak83]

Yeah, because I don't think for the most part they're highly educated voters.

Trump gets his wall either way, so the point of their antics are what, exactly? They're not standing up to Trump, they're not even really in a position to stop him from doing it. Certainly, they could stop him from doing other things, but the national emergency funds, the allocation of defense resources, and whatnot are completely his wheelhouse. They have less than no power over the matter, but my guess here is just that Trump rather do it the normal way. There's nothing stopping him from just doing it and telling them to **** off, however.

So, all they really do is illustrate their lack of control or influence in the matter. If they warmed up to Trump and cooperated they'd look to their voter base like they could change things and get him to do what they want. I guess, to me, that'd be a better scenario for them. Currently, they have about the impact of a spoiled child, it just isn't going to do anything for them.

The millitary funding is already allocated, Trump using part of the already allocated millitary funding for his pet project is sufficient concession from his part.
But I think the Republican Senators are opposing that, that is why he is not doing it.

 

[Mindmaster]

The millitary funding is already allocated, Trump using part of the already allocated millitary funding for his pet project is sufficient concession from his part.
But I think the Republican Senators are opposing that, that is why he is not doing it.

He doesn't really need to deal with the Senators either, TBH. Even though it'd be bad for unity in 2020 for him, it's also irrelevant. The job of determining the safety concerns of the nation are mostly with the President, and also it's his office to deal with them. He may seek the advice of others, but in the end -- in this area, he can do what he damn well pleases.

If Trump goes into emergency mode, they're going to start building the wall 45 days after that. Deal or no deal, so there is that.

 

[sayak83]

Thank you, for the support sayak83. I just don't think that would go to far, but it would be nice to see them trying to help, however I feel the republicans should be included in raising this fund.

I think all of Congress and the executive offices should go without pay as well. If they are having problems funding the government they should feel the pain also, instead of using their employees as pawns.

I don't know what Republicans would do, I think Democrats should raise charity in their own districts to support the families of furloughed workers. Its quite doable. Hopefully they are doing it already.

 

[sayak83]

He doesn't really need to deal with the Senators either, TBH. Even though it'd be bad for unity in 2020 for him, it's also irrelevant. The job of determining the safety concerns of the nation are mostly with the President, and also it's his office to deal with them. He may seek the advice of others, but in the end -- in this area, he can do what he damn well pleases.

If Trump goes into emergency mode, they're going to start building the wall 45 days after that. Deal or no deal, so there is that.

So let him do it. As long as no new money is going into it, Democrats will not care overmuch.

 

[Shad]

Democrats should raise fund to support those who have been furloughed due to Trump's refusal to run the government.

Banks have already offered interest free loans of various sums. Dems do not need to do much as the shutdown is opening chances for good PR for a number of businesses.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news....
Shutdown's damage to economy could exceed $5.7 billion cost of Trump's border wall
I've read different estimates, but they're all similar in amount.

Note:
This is from CBS, not Fox News.

 

[Thief]

The title states my position.
The cost of in dispute is less than 1 month's cost of the shutdown.
Both sides are costing us dearly for what appears to be political posturing.
Anyone else agree?

I think the two party system should have died a long time ago
it divides the country
us vs them

and even when the problem will be nation wide.....
us vs them

obviously OUR border needs to be held

 

[Revoltingest]

obviously OUR border needs to be held

Agree.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news, some Democrats are leaning towards settling....
Congress agitates to end relentless shutdown
Good news.
Good for them.

 

[Wu Wei]

I vote Bacon....why you ask? I don't like bacon and I don't like the Democrats or Republicans either

But I do think they should stop acting like children and end this stupid "Whose is bigger match"

 

[Revoltingest]

I vote Bacon....why you ask? I don't like bacon and I don't like the Democrats or Republicans either

But I do think they should stop acting like Children and end this stupid "Whose is bigger match"

If you were starving, & had a choice between bacon,
Nancy Pelosi, & Donald Trump, which one would you eat?