Time is a human construct, but sometimes energy can be observed in the moment.
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Energy and how it applies to how we understand life as physical beings
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Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I've thought the same so I won't disagree .... as for energy, it's typically observed quite naturally by simple awareness through our sensory organs.
Velocity, acceleration and energy are all like that to me.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Isn't that the way it is for all of us on this planet? Through orbits and rotations, coupled with the suns orbit around the milky way, which i never knew until it was presented to me today. I understood the sun was traveling through space, but I was unaware that it was a circular orbital journey around a black hole.
I wonder what's on the other side of the black hole? We're apparently heading that way one day. Life, birth, growth and expansion maybe ... like in times past? That's my guess.
I wonder what's on the other side of the black hole? We're apparently heading that way one day. Life, birth, growth and expansion maybe ... like in times past? That's my guess.
Our "mental awareness" is the product of evolution, taking place in a material universe where all elements are material ie matter / energy.
Not exactly random, though that comes into it. Random variations in a living thing that help it to survive long enough to reproduce are more likely to be reproduced in the offspring ie are more self-perpetuating. (And of course once humans are around to carry out programs of selective breeding of their animal and plant stocks, the random element is to some extent replaced,)
Easy way to test it. Stop tanking (i.e. assuming food and sugar) and see how long you can keep your mental awareness.
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Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Food facts for fundamental fueling feed a fuel for thought mentality for favored food, one of which is sugar, at least for me. It tastes good and is a natural selection based on that fact.
Energy is a measurement of how much work is stored by a "thing".
like a battery stores chemical energy which converts it to electrical energy and is measured by Joules.
It is equal to the amount of work done when a force of 1 newton displaces a mass through a distance of 1 meter in the direction of the force applied. It is also the energy dissipated as heat when an electric current of one ampere passes through a resistance of one ohm for one second.
Joule - Wikipedia
Electrical energy can also be converted back into electrical energy like when to charge a battery.
Electrical energy can produce light and heat energy like when the electron current it produces flows through the filament in a light bulb.
Kinetic energy is like when the flow of water is used to turn a turbine to produce electrical energy.
When something no longer has any energy, it can no longer produce any work. Energy is a measure of work stored by something physical.
That work can be transferred to something else physical.
Energy is a value we use to represent the amount of work that is physically stored by an object.
The work is stored by something physical. The value(energy) is a mental representation of the work stored.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If human man theist of energy for his science practice machine then reaction stopped claiming he personally created energy as a man. Then science maths ....
not life continuance as the woman humans ovary would teach him.
He took earths natural form attacked it and gained man's science gain that man in science caused.... energy.
He preaches he's a God by that conscious possession.
Only because part of natural human life support consciousness was removed also to obtain energy. As just a human and just a man as mineral cell water life biology.
Oxygenated by nature garden....in the sea or on land.
Hence as a man baby created life from an ovary his cell physical man baby body transforms back to his deceased fathers form.
So he explained it as a miracle in conception and he returned into man's life back from the dead.
Then applying human only fake sciences fake woman math themes his own life cells mans body started to bleed unnaturally.
As his life came from the mother's human ovary and in thesis science he was not returned from a deceased dead father human term.
Still to this day he hasn't learnt his own human lying theists life lesson.
Energy existed naturally in any form in mass...we aren't mass.
Theists seem to forget you theory earths products first as not a practicing human science status then you practiced science.
Is the two types of humans thinking living statuses first.
Consciousness human tells the aware stories to itself and yet you ignore what your own human advice says.
Left over energy is what you use. Destroyed energy is how you gained by maths a body of energy.
Totally ignoring natural human two natural lives position first.
You preached man human lived with and on God earth before he theoried fake womb mother maths that attacked life.
How you came about in total pretence claiming as the man human that a woman human was your science body of energy.
not life continuance as the woman humans ovary would teach him.
He took earths natural form attacked it and gained man's science gain that man in science caused.... energy.
He preaches he's a God by that conscious possession.
Only because part of natural human life support consciousness was removed also to obtain energy. As just a human and just a man as mineral cell water life biology.
Oxygenated by nature garden....in the sea or on land.
Hence as a man baby created life from an ovary his cell physical man baby body transforms back to his deceased fathers form.
So he explained it as a miracle in conception and he returned into man's life back from the dead.
Then applying human only fake sciences fake woman math themes his own life cells mans body started to bleed unnaturally.
As his life came from the mother's human ovary and in thesis science he was not returned from a deceased dead father human term.
Still to this day he hasn't learnt his own human lying theists life lesson.
Energy existed naturally in any form in mass...we aren't mass.
Theists seem to forget you theory earths products first as not a practicing human science status then you practiced science.
Is the two types of humans thinking living statuses first.
Consciousness human tells the aware stories to itself and yet you ignore what your own human advice says.
Left over energy is what you use. Destroyed energy is how you gained by maths a body of energy.
Totally ignoring natural human two natural lives position first.
You preached man human lived with and on God earth before he theoried fake womb mother maths that attacked life.
How you came about in total pretence claiming as the man human that a woman human was your science body of energy.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Besides energy, which is very important, there is also the concept of entropy. When early engineers were developing the first steam engines, for the early Industrial Revolution, they noticed there was missing energy. They would run experiments, do an energy balance for all the input and outputs to get efficiencies, and noticed that energy had disappeared. The term entropy was eventually coined to label this missing energy. It could be measured to know it was there (or not there) but what it was not yet clear how it happened.
This missing energy; entropy is now connected to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. This means the amount of missing energy, bleeding from the universe, is increasing with time.
The universe is bleeding energy. This energy is conserved; energy conservation, but not in a way that the material universe can readily use it. It is missing in terms of the material universe. Our material universe is aging and is running out of gas, albeit at a pace we can live with. The theories of a cyclic universe or a forever universe both violate the 2nd law due to the missing energy.
One key observation, about life and consciousness, is both life and consciousness constantly generate a lot of entropy and therefore both have a connection the universal mechanism, that is bleeding energy from the universe and stockpiling that energy somewhere else; energy conservation.
Life and consciousness is not based on a closed energy loop for the material universe, since that would be perpetual motion. Instead they have more of a connection to the missing energy stream that makes life and consciousness sort of like an energy vacuum that impacts it own future.
Since energy is being taken away, both life and consciousness need to change with time, since new paths are constantly needed to reflect the loss of energy, that sets up material and energy roadblocks compared to where it came. Evolution, life and consciousness is based on the 2nd law, with entropy and the missing energy being stockpiled somewhere else.
Consciousness ideas, like the after life, have an energy basis, connected to this stockpile of lost energy. While our life and consciousness, by adding to this stockpile, builds each of us a place there, based on how we generated that entropy.
Why entropy increases over time.
This section is more technical and is not needed for the main points. However, it will clear up questions with respect to how the above is possible.
In the free energy equation which is used for energy balances in chemistry and engineering, G=H-TS, G is the free energy, H is enthalpy which is a measure of internal energy like the amount of energy in a gallon of gasoline, T is temperature in degree K, and S is entropy.
The -TS term is why as entropy increases, the free energy of the universe lowers. As S gets bigger there is loss of free energy due to the minus sign. Temperature or degree K or Kelvin can only be positive, while entropy S can be plus or minus.
Since the term TS is the product of temperature and entropy, this product has the units of energy. Entropy, by itself, although coined as lost energy, does not exactly have the units of energy. T times S has the units of energy. S by itself is more like information, without the heat, attached to the lost energy.
When the universe first formed, it was extremely hot or T was at the extreme. As it cooled and continues it cool, even if you were to lower entropy, locally, since T has net decreased over the history of the universe, the original free energy lost, can never be fully retrieved. There is a stockpile of S but without the T that can make it available energy.
There is lingering entropy or lingering information about the lost energy, but this information is not in a state needed to make it useful to the universe for extracting energy. The pool of lost energy is not exactly in the form of energy, as we know it, but rather is more like information of what was, but which cannot be net reclaimed due to our universe cooling. It has existence, but not a clean path for energy recycle. It has it own properties and its own unique place that runs parallel to our material universe. the Bible has the heavens and earth forming at the same time; entropic and material.
When we use particle accelerators, we add a lot of energy and are able to reverse entropy at extreme conditions; extreme T equivalent. We can extract some of this lost energy, but at a high up front energy costs. This is not a net gain since entropy will still net increase. However, it can result in temporary exotic states of matter, due to the summation of these two energy streams; input and entropic. Then the 2nd law take over and we lose energy again; exotic state decays.
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Energy is the eigen-solution when a Hamiltonian operator is applied to a state vector
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exchemist
Veteran Member
BINGO!!
It's years since I've had a chance to play Wellwisher Bingo, a game that I used to play on a science forum, (until he got banned) : Entropy is Chaos? | Sciforums
You can shout BINGO! whenever he talks about one of his four pet subjects: hydrogen bonds, water, entropy or liberals.
TreeOfLife
Member
Science is great but in my opinion the verdict is still out on total understanding of energy.As I stated in another forum that science is based on facts. Facts evolve from the tree of good and evil and not me; so therefore you can not have a pure knowledge only partial
exchemist
Veteran Member
Interestingly, science itself tells us we can't know everything: the uncertainty principle.
Ahm, you don't lose energy as such. You lose useful gradients of energy. Entropy is the averaging out of energy, energy in high-energy areas moving into areas of lower energy. Once you've burnt your log, the energy (as heat) in that log is dissipated, averaged down, by use and you need another log. Fortunately we have the sun to keep pepping things up, at least for the time being.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
In arranged marriages, even humans were bred selectively. Even-featured tall strong educated men were preferred for daughters. And if one belonged to a community with fair skin color, that too was a requirement. Same for the groom's side.
You remind me of a psych experiment conducted in (I think) the 1970s. A substantial number of students, both male and female, were given ten photos of young men and asked (individually, without consulting) to rank them in order of attractiveness (undefined). The same students were then given ten photos of young women and asked to rank them in order of attractiveness.In arranged marriages, even humans were bred selectively. Even-featured tall strong educated men were preferred for daughters. And if one belonged to a community with fair skin color, that too was a requirement. Same for the groom's side.
What the experiment showed was that, with notable but not perfect accuracy, the No 1 selection of the men had in fact married the No 1 selection of the women, Man 2 had married Woman 2 and so on.
I suspect that if the experiment were re-run today, much the same would apply (though perhaps some alternative concept to 'marriage' might be needed).
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Free energy is a term used to describe all aspects of energy needed in applied science. The free energy equation is G=H-TS, where G is the Gibbs free energy, H is enthalpy or internal energy, T is temperature and S is entropy.
H or enthalpy; internal energy, would take into account mass energy such as described by E=MC2, as well as charge potential. This is also connected to EM energy. It is also connected to kinetic energy and potential energy such as from gravity.
S is entropy which is based on the complexity of a system. As the universe evolves, entropy has to increase; 2nd law. The minus sign, before TS causes the free energy of the universe to decrease as entropy increases in the universe. The 2nd implies that the universe ages and matures with time.
The universe is bleeding free energy due to the 2nd law. This free energy is conserved, but it gets tied up in the inner quantum complexity of nature. This conserved energy is not exactly enthalpy; internal energy. It is tied up into quantum mechanical affects; informational realm.
For example, the electrons of an atom arrange in specific ways; orbitals, with electrons occupying a volume modeled with a wave and probability function. This model has elements of uncertainty and randomness, but it is also has very specific; consistent state properties. That quantum information is based on the free energy absorbed into the quantum complexity of that state, and it not net retrievable to the universe. The universe ages; enthalpy lowers and matures; entropy increase.
Consciousness is about maturing as we age. We cannot regrow into a young body, since free energy within the original fertilized ovum was lost into entropy. However, will gain wisdom; complexity within the information of advancing quantum fluctuations. The ancients assumed life after death, not for the body, but for this quantum information due to energy conservation; spirit and soul.
Biology is an open system, so entropy
has nothing to do with that.
The reason we age is due to biological
processes....not thermodynamic laws.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
It is actually a combination of both. The current theory on aging has to do with the tail ends of the DNA; telomere. This tails ends get smaller and smaller, each time the DNA is duplicated. This is creating more and more complexity, in terms of all future cellular changes, that are not beneficial to extending life.
To stay forever young, these tails would need to not change their size. However, this would mean going against the inertia of the second law which has to increase complexity. This would require energy expenditure, so the configurational entropy of the DNA, forever remains lower. But is it not easy to avoid the 2nd law, forever.
Biomaterials are designed to be a state of fixed entropy value. Like a dam across a stream, these maintain low entropy even though the second law wishes to increase this entropy. This creates an entropic potential; water rises.
DNA, RNA and protein all use only one of two possible stereo-isomers; right or left handed helices. One versus two implies less complexity and a system wide entropic potential. The entire cell has a potential with the second law, simply by using only one of the two possible helixes. This potential is satisfied globally, by breaking down materials, metabolism, recycling, and the duplication of things; two cells are more complex than one.