Errors in the Quran

[Bunyip]

Those who met in the conference were among the elites of specialists and the purpose of the meeting was to study some verses in the quran and to find out if there is a scientific errors in it.

Actually those who met weren't Muslims and their decision has to be honored for their good knowledge in the field of science.

God said that those who don't want to believe won't believe whatever signs given to them.

Scientists On The Qur'an

What conference? Which of those elite specialists agreed that the bones form first?


Not a single one of them right?

Not one of those unnamed specialists at the unnamed conference that probably never happened agrees that the bones form first right?

Mainly because they don't form first, something that any embryologist can tell you - or that you could see for yourself by disecting an aminal embro.

I recommend that you and truth read the references you give BEFORE accusing others of bias, ignorance and so on. Had you read the citation YOU gave regarding science and the quran you would have noticed that not a single one of the specialists agrees that the bones form first.

 

[ranvirk]

Those who met in the conference were among the elites of specialists and the purpose of the meeting was to study some verses in the quran and to find out if there is a scientific errors in it.

Actually those who met weren't Muslims and their decision has to be honored for their good knowledge in the field of science.

God said that those who don't want to believe won't believe whatever signs given to them.

Scientists On The Qur'an

Fear god, I will reply in detail to the above crap after Monday as my exams are coming

One things that I would like to ask and want you to think is:

If the similar concepts were known way before Mohammad was even born, would you agree that it's not a miracle?

And also worse, the embrology details are wrong in Quran. But I will provide detailed explanation as to why that's the case...

Also another things,

1) how many of the scientist in the link actually converted to Islam after realising it to be word of god
2) it's safe to assume that some of them were highly rewarded for their speech?

Correct

 

[FearGod]

What conference? Which of those elite specialists agreed that the bones form first?


Not a single one of them right?

Not one of those unnamed specialists at the unnamed conference that probably never happened agrees that the bones form first right?

Mainly because they don't form first, something that any embryologist can tell you - or that you could see for yourself by disecting an aminal embro.

I recommend that you and truth read the references you give BEFORE accusing others of bias, ignorance and so on. Had you read the citation YOU gave regarding science and the quran you would have noticed that not a single one of the specialists agrees that the bones form first.

Then show me the statement from credible scientific source that says bones and muscle tissues develop simultaneously.

 

[ranvirk]

Then show me the statement from credible scientific source that says bones and muscle tissues develop simultaneously.

If we show then what ? Will u accept that is a scientific error?

 

[Bunyip]

Then show me the statement from credible scientific source that says bones and muscle tissues develop simultaneously.

Well sure, that's easy - they all say pretty much the same thing. Bones and muscles form simultaneously, but the bones take longer to form.

This example is a popular textbook on embryology; Hill MA, 2014 UNSW Embryology (14th edition).

I can list plenty more, but you will not find any that claim the bones form first.

What you will find in all of the text books is that bone forms from a cartilage that itself forms from a tissue called mesenchyme.

 

[FearGod]

Fear god, I will reply in detail to the above crap after Monday as my exams are coming

One things that I would like to ask and want you to think is:

If the similar concepts were known way before Mohammad was even born, would you agree that it's not a miracle?

And also worse, the embrology details are wrong in Quran. But I will provide detailed explanation as to why that's the case...

Also another things,

1) how many of the scientist in the link actually converted to Islam after realising it to be word of god
2) it's safe to assume that some of them were highly rewarded for their speech?

Correct

I have to wait and see what you'll bring on Monday.

There is no relation between believing that God exists and becoming a believer.
that is the great test.

I think it is how to resist our instincts among other things.

I can realize that God during the process of creation was looking for a creature that can resists his instincts,IOW can beat what he was programmed for.

I admit it is a hard test and few can pass it.

For example,men are attracted to women,that is a natural thing for the majority.

Our brains receive the signal of a sexy woman which rouse our instincts and set us on,but if we think about which parts attract men to women,amazingly the worst locations that every one hate and which is the places that women use for defecate and urinate.

God asked us to resist those instincts,so he asked when seeing a woman,don't gaze at her,but men nowadays won't gaze only but will eat her with their eyes.(for the wonderful places in women)

Another test is month of Ramadan,that is also a hard test which human have to resist food and water and even sexual relationship,again how to resist your instincts.

Human was better than the previous creations as he can gain knowledge and the ability to learn and that was the reason that God asked Angels to prostrate for the new man,all prostrated except the satan,the satan was among who lived on earth and they failed and God destroyed them all and replaced the new man on earth.

The angels asked God will you send again a creation that will kill each others and do bad things on earth,God said i know what you don't know,so he was betting on us and he know that we will know him through knowledge and science,but i am afraid we are still programmed animals.

 

[FearGod]

Well sure, that's easy - they all say pretty much the same thing. Bones and muscles form simultaneously, but the bones take longer to form.

This example is a popular textbook on embryology; Hill MA, 2014 UNSW Embryology (14th edition).

I can list plenty more, but you will not find any that claim the bones form first.

What you will find in all of the text books is that bone forms from a cartilage that itself forms from a tissue called mesenchyme.

Quote me the statement from a legitimate scientific source which says bones and muscles tissues develop simultaneously.

 

[FearGod]

If we show then what ? Will u accept that is a scientific error?

Of course i'll,science can easily know nowadays which starts first,the muscle tissues or the bones.

But the problem is that i already know,but i have to see yours.

Forget about the Greece,that wasn't proven science.

 

[Bunyip]

Quote me the statement from a legitimate scientific source which says bones and muscles tissues develop simultaneously.

I gave you a citation. Why don't you back up your position for a change?

I gave you a reference to a standard embryology textbook, which like all others tells us that bone forms from cartilage which forms from mesenchyme.

You find a scientific source that claims the bones form first.

As to a statement from a legitimate scientific source that says bones and muscles form simultaneously - Fetal Medicine: Basic Science and Clinical Practice by CH Rodeck et al pg 44.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

but if we think about which parts attract men to women,amazingly the worst locations that every one hate and which is the places that women use for defecate and urinate.

You do know that, on the female, the urethra, the vagina and the anus are three different holes, right...?

 

[FearGod]

I gave you a citation. Why don't you back up your position for a change?

I gave you a reference to a standard embryology textbook, which like all others tells us that bone forms from cartilage which forms from mesenchyme.

You find a scientific source that claims the bones form first.

So you don't find in the whole net a scientific source that says both develop simultaneously.

 

[ranvirk]

Of course i'll,science can easily know nowadays which starts first,the muscle tissues or the bones.

But the problem is that i already know,but i have to see yours.

Forget about the Greece,that wasn't proven science.

Sorry just want to make sure that we are on the same page,

U r saying that Greek science was not proven but quranic science is?

I am saying that Quran borrowed from work or Aristotle and gallen so in this sense both are not proven science in ur words ..

Modern science teaches us that bones and flesh are formed simultaneously not seperate

 

[FearGod]

You do know that, on the female, the urethra, the vagina and the anus are three different holes, right...?

LOL,magical holes,forget about the urethra,if it is wide enough men won't save it too.

 

[FearGod]

Sorry just want to make sure that we are on the same page,

U r saying that Greek science was not proven but quranic science is?

I am saying that Quran borrowed from work or Aristotle and gallen so in this sense both are not proven science in ur words ..

Modern science teaches us that bones and flesh are formed simultaneously not seperate

And i asked you to quote from a legitimate scientific source that says bones and the muscles tissues develop simultaneously.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL,magical holes,forget about the urethra,if it is wide enough men won't save it too.

What?

 

[ranvirk]

And i asked you to quote from a legitimate scientific source that says bones and the muscles tissues develop simultaneously.

Ok great, that makes it easy to explain I guess .. Like I said next week after my exam

 

[Bunyip]

So you don't find in the whole net a scientific source that says both develop simultaneously.

All embryology textbooks say so - I gave you references to two and even the right page number.

 

[ranvirk]

All embryology textbooks say so - I gave you references to two and even the right page number.

Did u get a chance to look at it fear god?

 

[FearGod]

Did u get a chance to look at it fear god?

I think it is easy for him to quote the statement and the link source,thats what i am looking for.

But asking me to see and fetch for it myself ,i may say i looked out and found you as a liar.

 

[Bunyip]

I think it is easy for him to quote the statement and the link source,thats what i am looking for.

But asking me to see and fetch for it myself ,i may say i looked out and found you as a liar.

You asked for references and I gave them. You then asked for a specific reference and I supplied it even down to the page number.

The reason why you can not back up the quran's claim that bones formed first is because there are no textbooks on embryology that say so - all of them say that the bones and muscles formed from mesenchyme.

This is the best you can do isn't it? Pretending that the proof you have asked for was not provided.