Farrukh
Active Member
:drool: heard such thing for the first time
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Errors in the Quran
- Thread starter Truthisnotyourenemy
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:drool: heard such thing for the first time
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That was mentioned as describing the view of the sun in one point of the journey of Dhul-Qarnayn when he traveled around the world.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." (18:86)
Whats wrong with it.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." (18:86)
Whats wrong with it.
That the sun does not set into a puddle, but simply passes out of view behind the horizon.
Farrukh
Active Member
Dr. William Campbell raised a point regarding Surah Kahf Chapter No.18, Verse No.86, that Zulqarnain sees the sun setting in murky water in turbid water - Imagine sun setting in murky water unscientific. The Arabic word used here is 'wajada' meaning, it appeared to Zulqarnain. And Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic. So 'wajada' means - if you look up in the dictionary also, it means it appeared.
So Allah (swt) is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain. If I make a statement that The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. And you say Oh Zakir said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. I did not say. I am telling The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. I am not wrong - The student is wrong. There are various ways to try and analyze this verse. One is this way - according to Muhammad Asad, that 'wajada' means It appeared to It appeared to Zulqarnain.
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Even if Dr. William Campbell says No No, the basic assumption is too much - It is not Appeared to it is actually this. Let us analyze it further. The Qur'anic verse says the Sun set in murky water. Now we know, when we use these words, like sunrise and sunset - does the sunrise? Scientifically, sun does not rise - neither does the sunset. We know scientifically, that the sun does not set at all. It is the rotation of the earth, which gives rise to sunrise and sunset. But yet you read in the everyday papers mentioning, sunrise at 6 a.m. sun sets at 7.00 p.m. Oh! The newspapers are wrong Unscientific!
If I use the word Disaster, Oh! There is a disaster Disaster means there is some calamity which has taken place. Literally, disaster means an evil star. So when I say This disaster every one knows what I mean is a calamity, not about the evil star. Dr. William Campbell and I know, when a person who is mad, we call him a lunatic - Yes or no? At least I do, and I believe Dr. William Campbell also will be doing that.
We call a person a lunatic He is mad. What is the meaning of lunatic? It means struck by the moon - But that is how the language has evolved. Similarly sun rise, is actually, it is just a usage of words. And Allah has given the guidance for the human beings also - He uses so, that we understand. So it is just sunset - Not that it is actually setting - Not that sun is actually rising. So this explanation clearly gives us a clear picture, that the Verse of the Quran of Surah Kahf, Chapter.18, Verse No 86, is not in contradiction with established science - That is the way how people speak.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Still the quran describes it better than you do.
It doesn't say sink or float in a spring of dark mud,so setting is understood to move toward the west and not to sink inside a spring,those words need a genius mind for understanding it and not a person who only chose to think wishfully.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
So what? The op here is errors in the Quran, that is a factual error.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Where is the error ?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
I already answered that. Sure you have a very complicated and elaborate excuse to harmonise it, but it remains a blunt factual error.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
But you aren't pointing to the error,i explained it to you that the verse never say sink in or floating on,so where is the error.
Truthisnotyourenemy
Member
The modern understanding of the word is meteorites.
The word was understood as shooting star back by the ancients.
So how do meteorites/asteroids become missiles for the devils?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
You are mixing up 2 different verses,one was saying that asteroids can be used as missiles for evil doers as it was explained in the next verses describing how their fears will be once it strikes and the other verse is about the Jinn and not humans and that they(the Jinn) found out that the heaven is loaded with asteroids and is well guarded.
Truthisnotyourenemy
Member
I haven't come across that claims the 'missile verse' concerns humans.
But anyway, how do asteroids guard heaven from the jinn?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
How can i know ?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
I appreciate the cleverness of your excuses, don't get me wrong. You could harmonise any error or inconsistency that way.
The question in the OP was errors in the Quran, of which there are many - each of which I'm sure you could respond to with an equally clever suite of excuses and justifications - which while very clever don't change the fact that the sun does not set into a puddle, or that the Quran's understanding of the formation of the foetus is totally wrong.
I do not doubt your own ability to harmonise away all of the weaknesses of your religious ideology, in fact I imagine it to be necessary in order for you to believe.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
FearGod was telling the truth and i don't think that he used a cunning ways to justify the verses as his interpretations were rational and easily understood.
I may say the verses are the clever ones and maybe it needs a good minds to understand it.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
FearGod was telling the truth and i don't think that he used a cunning ways to justify the verses as his interpretations were rational and easily understood.
I may say the verses are the clever ones and maybe it needs a good minds to understand it.
The idea that whenever there is a falsehood or error in the bible or quran, it is because the person pointing it out has read it wrong or misunderstood it is as ancient as apologetics itself.
The point is that this OP was asking for examples of errors in the quran, of which there are many - but there is of course none that can not be imaginatively dismissed with some kind of rationale, or your more typical objection where it is the reader who has failed to understand it.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I don't think quran and the bible are comparable.
Feargod authored a thread about some verses in the bible http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/157695-bible-doesnt-make-sense.html
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
How so? Both share the Old Testament, they speak of the same god, from the same tradition - how are they not comparable?