Establishing the Creator (Atheist runs away when Muslim asks probing questions)

[Gjallarhorn]

My response is that the physical evidence for the Creator is the known universe including dark matter. My logically evidence for the existence of the Creator are the fundamental particles. There are many more issues which we can discuss mutually which will prove the existence of the Creator. I would now kindly request that you rebut the evidence on a scientific basis with peer review.

Now we're talking, or at least, you stopped trolling and started actually debating.

Now, explain how the known universe and fundamental particles prove a creator, specifically a conscious creator, using scientifically verified evidence, experiments, whatever.

 

[Storm]

Funnily enough the rule is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I however would suggest energy once created can also be destroyed!!

You may, of course, suggest anything you please. If you wish to assert it, you'll need that pesky evidence again.

 

[DunyaDawah]

Now we're talking, or at least, you stopped trolling and started actually debating.

Now, explain how the known universe and fundamental particles prove a creator, specifically a conscious creator, using scientifically verified evidence, experiments, whatever.

We will continue tomorrow as I need to sleep now.

 

[Riverwolf]

what we have basically requested was a criteria in terms of scientific evidence that would satisfy this person (Gjallarhorn) about the existence of the Creator. The criteria will allow us to understand what kind of evidence to adduce. I hope this clarifies the issue.

And that criteria was provided: peer-reviewed scientific journals, which contain reports on research and testing done by scientists on a given issue.

 

[Storm]

We will continue tomorrow as I need to sleep now.

Whoops guess he hadn't quite left after all!

 

[Riverwolf]

My response is that the physical evidence for the Creator is the known universe including dark matter.

Dark matter has not been proven to exist.

My logically evidence for the existence of the Creator are the fundamental particles.

What do such particles have to do with a Creator?

Funnily enough the rule is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I however would suggest energy once created can also be destroyed!!

Based on what observation?

 

[Vultar]

Well, that seemed to be an interesting dance accomplishing nothing

 

[F0uad]

1 versus 10? Let the two speak until they are done.

 

[Storm]

Well, that seemed to be an interesting dance accomplishing nothing

You have a looser definition of 'interesting' than I. Or you're just even more bored.

 

[Storm]

1 versus 10? Let the two speak until they are done.

Why? It's a public forum, no?

You could support the op if so inclined.

 

[Vultar]

You have a looser definition of 'interesting' than I. Or you're just even more bored.

I'll go with.... "even mored bored".

I was actually hoping it was going to hed somewhere....

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I'll go with.... "even mored bored".

I was actually hoping it was going to hed somewhere....

So was I, but we always have tomorrow.

 

[Vultar]

So was I, but we always have tomorrow.

And I will smile if I do

 

[jazzalta]

DunyaDawah is typical of a lot of religious folks unable to provide concrete evidence to back up their faith. "NO" God is the default position. Agonstics and atheists don't have to provide proof of anything relating to the existence of God. I'm so tired a being labelled a Christian or religious basher when all I'm seeking is tangible evidence. And when I use the Bible to point out blatant inconsistencies and hypocrisy I'm told I don't have the wisdom to understand such esoteric knowledge. Sheesh.

 

[dynavert2012]

If this were true, Arabic scientists would have uncovered it sooner, wouldn't they? It's postdiction.

i think it's better to be discovered by non muslims as if discovered by muslims simply you will say fake propaganda :sarcastic

 

[Photonic]

i think it's better to be discovered by non muslims as if discovered by muslims simply you will say fake propaganda :sarcastic

Danger: Level of dishonesty in thread approaching hazardous.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

i think it's better to be discovered by non muslims as if discovered by muslims simply you will say fake propaganda :sarcastic

People have made the exact same kinds of claims about the Bible containing scientific facts, and they have just as readily been dismissed. Whether it's "discovered" by Muslims or anyone else is not the issue. The issue is that's it's an obviously ridiculous claim entirely based on postdiction.

 

[Riverwolf]

i think it's better to be discovered by non muslims as if discovered by muslims simply you will say fake propaganda :sarcastic

And on what basis do you make such a statement?

 

[dynavert2012]

And on what basis do you make such a statement?

it's sense i think, let's think if NASA organisation is islamic and they said the moon was splitted as the Quran said what would be the people's reaction?? People will say NASA said that to make propaganda for Islam but if NASA isn't a Muslim and said that then this would add more credibility to the event isn't it?

 

[dynavert2012]

Whether it's "discovered" by Muslims or anyone else is not the issue. The issue is that's it's an obviously ridiculous claim entirely based on postdiction.

it would be like as you said if it's fake claims, but if it's true i think it should be considered