Establishing the Creator (Atheist runs away when Muslim asks probing questions)

[Storm]

Maybe he's run away to another forum where he is at this very moment claiming that we ran away from his tough questions.

Most like.

 

[FearGod]

One fact which me and you know is "that we are living at this moment",we can't deny this fact because i am writing and you are responding.

Now my question is "Will you die one day"
Your answer will be of course "i'll die one day".

But if i'll ask you when are you going to die ?
Your answer will be "i don't know" except if you'll decide to kill yourself at this moment to prove that you can die by now.

Did you know that you will come to life before you do exist?
of course you'll answer,how can i know and i didn't exist.

Now let us see the nonsense discussion for this question.

Do you believe about the afterlife ? now the answers can be

No i don't believe
yes,but we'll be just ghosts

So we got 2 opinions one don't believe and the other may believe that he may exist as a ghost, but of course for both,they got no evidence to support their claims.

Now also talking about the afterlife is a nonsense discussion because it is simply unknown.

Now how to believe without an evidence.
The answer will be by faith.

Now if you don't have faith,then even if you got evidences,then you'll still be skeptical about the existance of god and the judgement day.

if god himself came to an atheist and said "believe me,i do exist",then the atheist will say,oh i think that was the satan,or i saw a ghost or i need a doctor.

So IMHO such discussions are nonsense and no one will :run: but everyone will:banghead3

 

[Storm]

I'm sorry, is that your idea of evidence, or are you just ranting that it's so inconvenient when people have standards?

 

[FearGod]

I'm sorry, is that your idea of evidence, or are you just ranting that it's so inconvenient when people have standards?

What standards,discussing the unkonwn.!!
Believe or disbelieve,that is faith.

i love you storm ?
that is one clear statement.

do you want an evidence for it.
your answer maybe i have faith that you don't love me eventhough that you are saying that you love me.

but i really love you storm. are you skeptical.

you may say how come you love me and you dont even see me,
i may answer i love you through your postings.

But you may still have no faith to believe that i love you and even if we were close friends.

 

[beenie]

The Qur'an is not a science book, it's a holy book; I really wish people would stop claiming that it is.

Hello! In order to believe that the Qur'an has all this scientific proof of a God, one has to believe in the Qur'an in the first place! Any scientific evidence is all hindsight.

 

[Storm]

What standards,discussing the unkonwn.!!
Believe or disbelieve,that is faith.

i love you storm ?
that is one clear statement.

do you want an evidence for it.
your answer maybe i have faith that you don't love me eventhough that you are saying that you love me.

but i really love you storm. are you skeptical.

you may say how come you love me and you dont even see me,
i may answer i love you through your postings.

But you may still have no faith to believe that i love you and even if we were close friends.

Well, thanks. I'm not sure why you'd love some random chick on the internet, but it was very sweet to say.

But back to the topic.

To recap, a theist came in claiming scientific proof of God's Creation of the cosmos, then hemmed and hawed and refused to present said evidence (which we all know doesn't exist), and vanished into the vastness of cyberspace. We (not all of us atheists, I remind you) were chuckling over this sad display, when you entered the conversation and ranted about how a literal appearance of God wouldn't convince an atheist to believe.

I think "huh?" is more than fair on my part.

So, why did you even post that?

 

[otokage007]

More than 3 thousand million people believe in a creator and they have all failed to present evidence to backup their beliefs. I wouldn't expect to find it here on a forum. But please go ahead.

 

[9Westy9]

if god himself came to an atheist and said "believe me,i do exist",then the atheist will say,oh i think that was the satan,or i saw a ghost or i need a doctor.

I was going to agree with pretty much everything you said until this line. How do you know that an atheist would dismiss god himself talking to them?

 

[FearGod]

Well, thanks. I'm not sure why you'd love some random chick on the internet, but it was very sweet to say.

But back to the topic.

To recap, a theist came in claiming scientific proof of God's Creation of the cosmos, then hemmed and hawed and refused to present said evidence (which we all know doesn't exist), and vanished into the vastness of cyberspace. We (not all of us atheists, I remind you) were chuckling over this sad display, when you entered the conversation and ranted about how a literal appearance of God wouldn't convince an atheist to believe.

I think "huh?" is more than fair on my part.

So, why did you even post that?

To put an end to nonsense.

 

[Storm]

To put an end to nonsense.

Why didn't you scold the op for his false claims, then, instead of going off on a rant playing up the stereotype that atheists just don't want to believe?

'Cause, let's face it... it wouldn't have put an end to the mockery, but at least it wouldn't have made you a target, either.

 

[FearGod]

I was going to agree with pretty much everything you said until this line. How do you know that an atheist would dismiss god himself talking to them?

Because they actually IMHO refused him internally.

Many questions in their minds that make them skeptical and not only his existence.
i guess you did understand what i meant.

 

[9Westy9]

Because they actually IMHO refused him internally.

Many questions in their minds that make them skeptical and not only his existence.
i guess you did understand what i meant.

I'm a skeptic but if he were to show up and start talking to me then I'd believe he exists

 

[Storm]

Because they actually IMHO refused him internally.

Many questions in their minds that make them skeptical and not only his existence.
i guess you did understand what i meant.

I'm sorry, but the vast majority did not refuse God. They do not believe in God. Big difference.

People who refuse God(s) are called misotheists, and believe that God exists while refusing any form of worship.

 

[FearGod]

Why didn't you scold the op for his false claims, then, instead of going off on a rant playing up the stereotype that atheists just don't want to believe?

'Cause, let's face it... it wouldn't have put an end to the mockery, but at least it wouldn't have made you a target, either.

No i didn't scold anybody,even if am saying that the atheist won't believe eventhough they will have an evidence "if in a case there is".

There is no problem for the atheist to choose not to believe and there is no problem for the theist to choose to believe.

But what i said according to my opinion that any discussion will be useless and just a nonsense.

 

[Storm]

No i didn't scold anybody,even if am saying that the atheist won't believe eventhough they will have an evidence "if in a case there is".

There is no problem for the atheist to choose not to believe and there is no problem for the theist to choose to believe.

But what i said according to my opinion that any discussion will be useless and just a nonsense.

You are incorrect about atheists, and should really ask (and listen to the answers) why they don't believe instead of telling them why you THINK they don't. The first is productive, the second insulting.

I agree that the thread is useless. If you don't enjoy useless threads, don't read them. Simple as that.

 

[FearGod]

I'm sorry, but the vast majority did not refuse God. They do not believe in God. Big difference.

People who refuse God(s) are called misotheists, and believe that God exists while refusing any form of worship.

And what that to do with what i had said,did i say the atheist don't want to believe on god because of worshipping.

Did i say that the atheist don't want to believe on god because he hate god.

Did i ?

 

[Storm]

And what that to do with what i had said,did i say the atheist don't want to believe on god because of worshipping.

Did i say that the atheist don't want to believe on god because he hate god.

Did i ?

No, you didn't speculate on why atheists refuse to worship a God they know is real. However, in describing atheists thus, you confused atheism with misotheism. Which also answers why it's relevant to your argument.

Your argument is wrong. Atheists are not misotheists. To insist they are essentially calls them all liars, which would technically be trolling.

 

[FearGod]

No, you didn't speculate on why atheists refuse to worship a God they know is real. However, in describing atheists thus, you confused atheism with misotheism. Which also answers why it's relevant to your argument.

Your argument is wrong. Atheists are not misotheists. To insist they are essentially calls them all liars, which would technically be trolling.

When did i say that atheist and misotheist are the same whether by word or action.

Just quote my statement which prove that to me that i said that atheist is misotheist,
i am always saying atheist chose not to believe on god,yes for misotheist they chose to believe on god,but hated him at the sametime.

Just show me now where did i make a mistake in my previous posts,so i may say to you then sorry i was wrong.

 

[Storm]

When did i say that atheist and misotheist are the same whether by word or action.

Just quote my statement which prove that to me that i said that atheist is misotheist,
i am always saying atheist chose not to believe on god,yes for misotheist they chose to believe on god,but hated him at the sametime.

Just show me now where did i make a mistake in my previous posts,so i may say to you then sorry i was wrong.

Sure: you made the very same mistake (again), in the second paragraph of this post. You also added maltheism to the confusion.

You know what? Look up atheist, misotheist, and maltheist on Wiki. Get back to me when you can tell me the difference between the three.

Pointing out that you don't is not a personal attack. Correcting you was an attempt to be helpful, but now I'm just getting annoyed.

 

[FearGod]

Sure: you made the very same mistake (again), in the second paragraph of this post. You also added maltheism to the confusion.

You know what? Look up atheist, misotheist, and maltheist on Wiki. Get back to me when you can tell me the difference between the three.

Pointing out that you don't is not a personal attack. Correcting you was an attempt to be helpful, but now I'm just getting annoyed.

i don't want you to be annoyed from me,we are just enjoy debating.

Yes,the details you gave is helpful to distinguish between the 3,
thanks a lot and frubals to you too,friends now,deal