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I am not sure I understand your question. So should people who commit injustices go unpunished? Should the murderer, child molestor and rapist, and social deviant be allowed to run free and do as they like without the responsibility that they will have to answer for their actions. People do it in the criminal justice system they hold people accountable. The same is said for the court of law. The creator has rights over his creation and if you do not fulfill them you may be punished. The same as your father when he cared for you till you were however old tells you to do something and you must abide or punishments may be administered.Mercy Not Sacrifice said:Prove that a just God--not necessarily a merciful God, but strictly a just God--can ethically send people to eternal torture, based solely on rational arguments and not recitation from Scripture.
EDIT: If you believe in such a thing.
I think the trouble here has to do with proportionality. That is, can anything I could possibly accomplish in my maybe 70 years on the planet be bad enough to be burned eternally? Obviously not.Mujahid Mohammed said:Allah tells us if he would have allowed the human being to live forever he would have continued doing wrong and commiting injustices forever. So the punishment if forever according to this.
It is if his communication is equivocal. As it is, we do not hear from Allah, but from an agent. How do we know this agent speaks for Allah? Conveniently, the agent says so. The trouble is that LOTS of people run around claiming to be agents of God and telling us what God supposedly told them to tell us.Plus it is a warning. If God told you he would punish you forever if you do this and that and you as an intelligent and logical person continue do it. Is it injustice when he gives the punishment.
Which would be all good if God didn't allow false messengers to enter the picture.God is telling people if you disbelieve in Him and his Messengers any of them you will go to hell fire forever.
You are if you didn't communicate directly with your son but instead communicated through an agent and allowed others to communicate contradictory instructions through other agents, leaving your son to wonder who really represents you.If I told my son not to do something and he persisted and I said if you do it I will spank you. And he does it am I committing an injustice.
Yes of course, If the one who created you gave you a responsibility in worshipping only Him and you refuse it is well within his right. Plus the punishment is equivocal to the reward of paradise. Now the issue of eternity well this is what he says it is either eternal bliss or eternal hellfire if you choose not to believe.Wandered Off said:I think the trouble here has to do with proportionality. That is, can anything I could possibly accomplish in my maybe 70 years on the planet be bad enough to be burned eternally? Obviously not.
True, but everything the Messenger said is the truth which is one of the signs of prophethood. He has many others but this is just an example. There is a beautifull hadith in Bukhari when Abu Sufyan tells a story about when the Emperor of Byzantine called him in his court to ask him about Muhammed. It is long but I am sure you can find it.It is if his communication is equivocal. As it is, we do not hear from Allah, but from an agent. How do we know this agent speaks for Allah? Conveniently, the agent says so. The trouble is that LOTS of people run around claiming to be agents of God and telling us what God supposedly told them to tell us.
But He gives you the criterion to be able to discern falsehood and truth.Which would be all good if God didn't allow false messengers to enter the picture.
But unlike many others religions. We have the direct commands from the source. Which has been preserved in the original recitation, with no alteration in the words recited. Anything claiming to be from Allah would be completely free of contradiction this is in the Quran. And it is true, which other relgions cannot say.You are if you didn't communicate directly with your son but instead communicated through an agent and allowed others to communicate contradictory instructions through other agents, leaving your son to wonder who really represents you.
Yes we believe in the eteranal hellfire and paradise. The duration depends on the individual. In Islam the one sin Allah will not forgive is worshipping others along side of or instead of Him, associating others with him, giving divinity to or relying on the creation to answer your prayers. And going realliy against the first commandment in the bible in Exodus. You know it. So if you believe outside of that Hellfire is forever. Now some muslims or those who follow the true religion of Abraham which was Hanifa(worshipping only Allah and Allah alone) may go to hellfire for a time and eventually be released once they have been purified of their sins. I hope this helps.Mercy Not Sacrifice said:Wow, now this is a pleasant surprise. So does Islam believe in the concept of eternal hell? I thought that it does advocate the existence of hell, but its duration I do not know about.
Mujahid Mohammed said:Yes we believe in the eteranal hellfire and paradise. The duration depends on the individual. In Islam the one sin Allah will not forgive is worshipping others along side of or instead of Him, associating others with him, giving divinity to or relying on the creation to answer your prayers. And going realliy against the first commandment in the bible in Exodus. You know it. So if you believe outside of that Hellfire is forever. Now some muslims or those who follow the true religion of Abraham which was Hanifa(worshipping only Allah and Allah alone) may go to hellfire for a time and eventually be released once they have been purified of their sins. I hope this helps.