Ben Dhyan
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But if the creator and the matter and energy are all eternal...then the term creator refers to the creation of planets, stars,.etc...even you...
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
No, no nothing was created today. The fact that you can't give me an answer besides restating your opinion tells me something. Where do you get the idea something was created today? Did you see something being created? If not, it probably didn't happen.
uh...okay...and where did the hologram come from?
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
If both the creator and the creation are eternal then what you're basically telling me is that the creator and the creation are one. How does he create something that already exists? The stars cannot be created because they already were, just like the deity.But if the creator and the matter and energy is all eternal...then the term creator refers to the creation of planets, stars,.etc...even you...
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
I'm taking a look at everything with atheist lenses on.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Are we even sure there is an eternity?
No, everything was created today, this moment.
It should tell you that I'm trying to express an attitude, not an opinion. The attitude that everything is created here and now.
I got the idea from a number of lovely and very shiny Dharmic sources. Since the quotes are buried in the pages of books, I couldn't quote them if I tried. But that's not important.
More significantly, the idea comes from the ground philosophy that supports it. That includes Kant's realism/dualism, Neitzsche's anti-realism/nilhilism, and Cornelius' objectivism, none of which I could explain properly.
Suffice it to say that the "world" is what is being created with each thought, and that we are neither our thoughts nor are our thoughts us. They exist.
I would say that if you have achieved the thought of a comprehensive universe (pantheism) then you have accomplished the attitude of an eternity.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Of course the creator is one....that is the meaning of being omnipresent....or immanent and transcendent..
What do you mean that the stars were already there? .They live and die like everything else....stars are being created everywhere all the time...and dying...creation is eternal...never ends...
Eternity doesn't mean something always was, but that it was-is-and-will be. To think just "was" is to slave the concept of eternity to time.
But the concept of time is slaved to eternity. Time, the continuous changing of things, always was, is and always will be.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
How?
Oh, scripture! What about reason? Did you think about what those scriptures meant and their implications before you started forming a worldview around them?
Not every philosopher has it right. You have to reason your way through this universe based off your own experience, not someone else's.
They exist inside your head only unless you act upon them. Your not having sex with Justin Timberlake just because you had a fantasy about it.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Then there is no time.
"How" is a question of analysis, which is man breaking down things into understandable parts.
There need be no "how." It's not a requirement.
I wouldn't know about scriptures.
What reason would you suggest that is absent from the books I read? Or are you employing an argument from ignorance?
There are conflicting theories about that.
That's a very strong philosophy, and one I employ myself.
That thought "exists inside your head" is something we learn from others and not something we reason through based off our own experience. My experience has taught me different. Needless to say, I wouldn't accept your argument any more than I'd accept someone else's.
Why so?
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Because it's irrelevant at that point.
How so?????
There are some people, I can look at what they've said and intuit their worldview. Like post #14 in this thread.
Some things I cannot fathom, like how time being an eternity (rather than eternity being time) leads to its irrelevance.
I feel the need to watch an episode of Stargate SG-1.
Some things I cannot fathom, like how time being an eternity (rather than eternity being time) leads to its irrelevance.
I feel the need to watch an episode of Stargate SG-1.
AndromedaRXJ
Active Member
*sigh* *sigh*