Ethical to breed animals for its only purpose to be eaten?

[Yerda]

Jokes on all the Vegetarians: Your Salad hears that something is wrong when you eat it and wants it to stop.

I realise you're probably joking, but this isn't what the paper says.

It would also be a problem for everyone ethically if it were the case. Meat eaters also eat plants, and more importantly meat eaters eat animals - which eat plants - lots of plants.

And by the way, the plants are dead by the time we eat them.

 

[Flankerl]

Don't worry in due time there will be a paper about mammal herbivores. It would be kinda strange if plants would only react this way to insects.

Also "It would also be a problem for everyone ethically if it were the case" always cracks me up.

btw whether a plant is dead once we eat it depends on the plant and the way we prepare it. A biologist would never suggest that the plants in your average salad are dead.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

At least the animal is dead when its eaten by people.

Not always. Some Japanese and Korean dishes are eaten with the animal still alive.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not always. Some Japanese and Korean dishes are eaten with the animal still alive.

In China (monkey brains) & Maryland (crabs) too.
I've seen the latter.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Any more jokes like that, & I'll put yoo on the barby!

Barby? But I'm a man!

Got it? The doll?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Whippets are fast,
Whippets can hurry,
Which is how they avoid
Being in Chinese curry.

 

[Yerda]

Don't worry in due time there will be a paper about mammal herbivores. It would be kinda strange if plants would only react this way to insects.

Why?

Also "It would also be a problem for everyone ethically if it were the case" always cracks me up.

Well, that's nice. I find it amusing that you find it amusing.

btw whether a plant is dead once we eat it depends on the plant and the way we prepare it. A biologist would never suggest that the plants in your average salad are dead.

I never knew that.

What about in chickpea curry? Would a biologist ever suggest the plants involved are dead?

 

[Revoltingest]

Whippets are fast,
Whippets can hurry,
Which is how they avoid
Being in Chinese curry.

Try as they might,
all skinny & furry,
they cannot fight
that Indian curry.

 

[Wirey]

In China (monkey brains) & Maryland (crabs) too.
I've seen the latter.

I've eaten live crabs. I broke up with her pretty quick!

 

[Revoltingest]

I've eaten live crabs. I broke up with her pretty quick!

Ew!
Unless they were Maryland crabs....but they weren't, were they?
Ew!

 

[Yerda]

I've eaten live crabs. I broke up with her pretty quick!

Ha, what a lad! Somebody give this snowball a prize; that is the best craic I've heard in ages.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram smart guy ji

Now I am sure I just gave you a like for being soft hearted , ....

Gotta say tho, I still see slaughtering animals cruel

now here is Smart guy living up to his name ...


but , ...

Dunno guys, but looking at some animals and there nature, it feels like they were created/evolved (ever since they existed maybe?!?!) for the sole purpose to be eaten. I mean, they ended up with no natural ability to live on their own, depending on humans to live. Chicken for example, AFAIK, are completely useless for anything but to eat. Cows, sheep and domestic cattle and poultry in general are like that. The only way to not eat them in the end is not get rid of them.

Dunno... am I making sense?

Hmmm lets think this one out propperly , ....the Cows , Sheep and Chickens you have become familliar with have been bread for domestic purposes , ...we have bread their natural tendancies out of them , .....you are right they have ''ENDED UP '' dependant on Humans , but that is not how they began , ...they began as independent species

many modern breeds of sheep canot give birth without human intervention , ...why ? breeding , ...we have interbread sheep to acheive a fat and profitable lamb , ....Nice arnt we , ...

amazing hill sheep birth all by them selves and dont need us , ...a freind of ours kept Jacob and Balwen specificaly because they are not reliant on Humans and they are hardy and Birth naturaly without problems and can survive the colder winters on Hill farms , ...so they dont need us to look after them and they especialy dont need us to steal their babies for the easter dinner table , .....

and here is a nice little picture for the next person that tries to tell me that Animals dont have feelings , .....

and that plants have feelings too , ....​

well plands dont go through lengthly gestation periods like animals nor do they nurture their young like animals do , ...

..mother cleaning her newly born lambs , .....​

then there is Kangeroo and joey , ....

hold on that is not your average roo its a tree kangaroo

these are sentient beings just like us

at least the tree dosent form a personal relationship with the apple ???
well no in the way we understand .​

 

[Smart_Guy]

namaskaram smart guy ji

Now I am sure I just gave you a like for being soft hearted , ....

now here is Smart guy living up to his name ...

Thank you ma'am, you're too kind

but , ...

Hmmm lets think this one out propperly , ....the Cows , Sheep and Chickens you have become familliar with have been bread for domestic purposes , ...we have bread their natural tendancies out of them , .....you are right they have ''ENDED UP '' dependant on Humans , but that is not how they began , ...they began as independent species

many modern breeds of sheep canot give birth without human intervention , ...why ? breeding , ...we have interbread sheep to acheive a fat and profitable lamb , ....Nice arnt we , ...

amazing hill sheep birth all by them selves and dont need us , ...a freind of ours kept Jacob and Balwen specificaly because they are not reliant on Humans and they are hardy and Birth naturaly without problems and can survive the colder winters on Hill farms , ...so they dont need us to look after them and they especialy dont need us to steal their babies for the easter dinner table , .....

and here is a nice little picture for the next person that tries to tell me that Animals dont have feelings , .....

and that plants have feelings too , ....​

well plands dont go through lengthly gestation periods like animals nor do they nurture their young like animals do , ...

..mother cleaning her newly born lambs , .....​

then there is Kangeroo and joey , ....

hold on that is not your average roo its a tree kangaroo

these are sentient beings just like us

at least the tree dosent form a personal relationship with the apple ???
well no in the way we understand .​

Gotta be honest with you there, that underlined "but , ..." above, really scared me for a bit

Thank you for the heads up, ma'am. And yes, I believe all creatures have feelings

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

namaskaram smart guy ji

Now I am sure I just gave you a like for being soft hearted , ....



now here is Smart guy living up to his name ...


but , ...



Hmmm lets think this one out propperly , ....the Cows , Sheep and Chickens you have become familliar with have been bread for domestic purposes , ...we have bread their natural tendancies out of them , .....you are right they have ''ENDED UP '' dependant on Humans , but that is not how they began , ...they began as independent species

many modern breeds of sheep canot give birth without human intervention , ...why ? breeding , ...we have interbread sheep to acheive a fat and profitable lamb , ....Nice arnt we , ...

amazing hill sheep birth all by them selves and dont need us , ...a freind of ours kept Jacob and Balwen specificaly because they are not reliant on Humans and they are hardy and Birth naturaly without problems and can survive the colder winters on Hill farms , ...so they dont need us to look after them and they especialy dont need us to steal their babies for the easter dinner table , .....

and here is a nice little picture for the next person that tries to tell me that Animals dont have feelings , .....

and that plants have feelings too , ....​

well plands dont go through lengthly gestation periods like animals nor do they nurture their young like animals do , ...

..mother cleaning her newly born lambs , .....​

then there is Kangeroo and joey , ....

hold on that is not your average roo its a tree kangaroo

these are sentient beings just like us

at least the tree dosent form a personal relationship with the apple ???
well no in the way we understand .​

I recognize that animals are sentient, conscious beings with their own complex inner and outer lives and all the other wonderful things that sciences tell us about them. But I still eat meat and enjoy leather. I am a bear, after all.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram SF ji

I recognize that animals are sentient, conscious beings with their own complex inner and outer lives and all the other wonderful things that sciences tell us about them. But I still eat meat and enjoy leather. I am a bear, after all.

its ok , we all have to make our own choices , that I beleive is part of the spiritual process .​

......we are all constantly assesing our own ethics , ...and the ethics of our own cultures , ....but for those cultures who do eat meat I can only emplore them all to think more about treating those animals in their care with Kindness and respect , ...many meat eaters are not aware of the suffering which some unscrupulous farmers will subject their animals to , ....and please note everyone , I said some not all ! ....

my father came from a farming family , meat eating was the norm , but my Nana was ded against factory farming on ethical grounds , ...quite rightly she objected to this , ...

​

and thought animals should be kept like this , ....

... the barn doors opened early in the morning and chickens were free to roam, if you wanted eggs chances are half were in the hedge row , ...​

 

[Kirran]

Jacob sheep are very nice.

Soay sheep are really good at birthing without help too.

Highland cattle as well. Last I heard, 7 of our 9 had calved successfully I believe.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Kirran ji

Jacob sheep are very nice.

I like Jacob very much , ....and Balwen , ....I like coloured sheep , ...

having now hijacked this thread to discuss welsh sheep , ....

...and Torddu and Torwen, .... to non welsh speakers that means Black belly and white belly ,

......and this is why the welsh historicaly valued sheep , .... ....small clue , ...and daffodills are a red herring , ...

please dont eat sheep learn to knit instead ​

 

[Revoltingest]

Dang, this is making me hungry!
Dinner soon.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes, eat them sheeps!

I know that's grammatically awfully incorrect, but hey, I'm replying to Revolt

 

[ratikala]

look here you two @Revoltingest @Smart_Guy , .....this is no laughing matter , ....

OK so you want to eat sheep , ....I sentance you to a penance , ...

Eat 108 chocolate sheep before breakfast , ...bu which time I hope you feel so sick of sheep that you never want to eat one again ​