namaskaram Kirran ji
We're 'playing God' whenever we do anything, really.
good try but sorry not so , .....when we act according to our Dharma , we fullfill our duty , in this way we act in acordance with Gods will .
when we act under our own volition we act in ignorance of Gods will .
it is wery important that we learn to differenciate between the two .
After all, if we plant a seed, we're changing where plants will grow. If we weed a field. we're impacting the biosphere.
in that respect our very existance changes the biosphere , but this is natural change , it is the cause and effect brought about by life it self , ....
If we shear a sheep, how do we know it was the right time to shear that sheep? At the end of the day, by living, and especially by farming, we impact and change the world around us.
yes and we should think very carefully about how we farm . as you know I am against intensive farming , ..and I am not sure we should shear sheep inthe way we do , the sheatland islanders used to hand pull the fleece from the sheep at around the time that they would naturaly begin to shead their coats so there was no pain involved for the animals it is like grooming the winter under coat from a dog , ....some one brought me the groomings from their angora rabits the other day , this is the ethical way , ....Ok if you have breads that have been bread in such a way that they hold their flece we have to sheer them , but this is a problem and a responcibility that we have caused over the centuries by selective breeding , ....
this is what nature intended , .....instead all the sheep in one field are under the hegerows today shivering because some farmer has sheared too early and it was pelting down hail it is still only may !!!
this however is the product of zelous over breading , and why , conercialisation, .......so yes of course it needs shearing poor thing , .....
The difference between modern crops and livestock and their wild ancestors is vast.
yes and we should be ashamed of our selves !!!
Certainly, these things can be easily corrupted, easily used for financial gain, etc. But that doesn't mean they always are, or will be. Nor does it man we shouldn't do them, as it's true of anything. Should we stop using antibiotics or vaccines because some companies make money out of them?
there is a ballance , and it is a fine one , the more tecnological developments we make the better we need to become at making moral judgements .
I agree, there is a lack of compassion evident in wealth disparity. It's a real shame.
it is more than a shame it is Adharmic !
Yes, it's true, but sadly meat consumption continues to rise in many parts of the world (aside from some areas of the Western world). It would reduce the stress on arable land and make more food available if we stopped eating meat. But this is impactical, people aren't going to stop eating meat. It should be discouraged, I think. But that's only one part of a solution.
yes because they do not understand what responcibility means they are too set in their selfish ways and blinded by their own greed that they practice short termism on a scale that means there will be serious implications for coming generations , ...one dosent have to be Hindu to understand that our Dharma is to be responcible and forgo the temptation to be utterly self serving .
I mean scientifically. Like, in material science. We're improving medicine, we're improving our agricultural production, we're improving power generation. That kind of thing.
......sorry to be so argumantative today and I love you realy , ...''but that kind of thing'' !!! .....Bunkam !!!
''we are improving medicine'' , ...yes sure , we take one step forward and ten steps backwards , ....we have more scientific Knowledge about disease but we are the grossest , over weight and over indulgent pigs of all time , ....we are the worst and most disgusting of all animals on this planet and we call our selves inteligent , ...
the big machine is trying to outlaw the old sciences , and discredit totaly safe non toxic herbal remedies used in preventative medicine . only to replace them with chemical paliatives for the problems caused by the cronic diet and toxic food that they produce and sell to the trusting populace , ....and why one must ask do the masses fall for this injustice , because it comes so easy in its shrink wrap packaging , boil in the bag noncence which leaves more time for them to watch TV , ... we have all lost touch with reality , ...and what is worse is that most people are not realy that stupid they know that the mass produced appologie for food that they are eating is bad for them but they are just too lazy to get a window box and grow their own salad , ...or for heavens sake get an alotment or share a freinds garden , ...any thing , but just go out doors get digging and burn of a few of the exess pounds that will give them early onset diabetes , ..or heart falure , then they wont need tie drugs !....then when people are more intouch with the soil which their food comes from , they may just be a little more content with their lives and stop wizzing around the planet having endless holidays to placate tham selves for the boring jobs that they do ! ...if they alll stayed home on the allotment at the weekends it would cut down on the excessive joy riding that the world does in the name of enjoyment , ..and it would cut down on our need for everincreasing power generation , ....
in short we need a rather large life style change , and science just keeps making the sticking plasters that keep us limping on in the wrong direction !!!
and what else , ''agricultural production '' ? ...do we realy think that it is an improvement , ...in order to be more productive , ...the Punjab has used all the underground water reserves and in the short space of about twenty years runs the risk of turning one of India's most firtile areas into a desert , ...australia has done much the same , farmers are comitting suicide or walking broken hearted and peniless from their land , ....realy is this progress ?
my husband has a book suggestion for you , ....T.Colin Campbel PhD ..Whole , ..rethinking the Science of Nurtition ,
I havent read it but the book reveiw confirms everything which I have been suspecting for years , ...the food that the scientist is helping improve is the food that is making us sick ! , ...then so nice they are , that they make also make the drugs to palliate the damage done , .....
No , and we are not advancing spiritualy either because weare becoming ever more attatched to this bodily life instead of understanding our temporary nature , ...instead we just want to lay on the sofa for as long as possible in this one body , ....
Well, I don't know about that, I wasn't around at the time.
yes you were , you just dont remember
But I agree with you entirely that building a society based on personal possession, attaching self-worth to material gain, and so on, are unhelpful. But this is the world we live in, and what we've got as our starting point to improve things.
improvement like all things comes from within , ..no real improvement comes in a quick fix it kit , ...
I'm familiar with the five yamas of Patanjali, but it is much the same. I'm not arguing that these are great virtues to have.
Patanjali simply shortened it , to make it a little more easily acceptable , ....this is the problem with the decreasing attention and aplication faculty of human beings in this Yuga , .....originaly there were Ten Niyamas as well !
I know many farmers who have bee farming for many generations. I don't think it's the manmade rules that make them not care about the environment, I think the manmade rules go some measure to protecting the environment.
, ...no , it is confusion which dissorientates the average person , and the average farmer , ...we are blinded by the promices of Science , and when it dosent quite work out as was planed the poor man is left scraching his head and rather confused .
look at the high insidence of Cancer anongst farmers who used chemical fertilisers with gay abandon in the early days when they thought that they were just doing their bit and providing food for the nation , ....and that was the pay back that they got , ....we met one lady , ...not realy so old at all , but who was having to leave her farm , her husband had died and she was going blind , she said she reconed it was the chemical poisoning from the years of sheep diping .
Do you think if we had no manmade rules, left things to people's integrities, society would have less conflict, less problems?
yes , deep down the human being has integrity , that integrity is that godliness within , we have to develop that in humanity , ....
please please do , ....then we can have happy and inspired conversations about truely positive and sustainable change for the good of all .
Although there are many Indians in the fields who are really into GM.
of course there are , ...there will be Indians in both camps , ...
In Oriya, there's a new strain of rice, called Swarna-Sub1, which has slightly whiter grains, as well as a greater ability to resist floods, which has been adopted in dry areas because they think its grains are a better offering to the devas thanks to their colour
OK I will check this out and report back , ....before I pass comment , ....but I wont be fooled by the colour alone
I was born by C section. Without an artificial intervention, I and my mother would have died. Was the C section interfering with my karma, and that of my mother, and my father, who'd have had to deal with life afterwards?
surgery in this instance is more than justified , and I hope your mother recovered well and happily , and I am glad you are here ...but that has very little to do with Modification !
Surgery has been existant for longer than we give credit the ancient Indian civilisations practiced complex surgery , ...
when I said modification , ...I mean trying to determine a perfect human being by genetic engineering , who are we to say what is perfect ???
if you had asked my mother , ..she'd have chosen a Boy , I would have been destined to be hansome , famous and wealthy , and she certainly wouldnt have chosen the religious gene , so I would have been forced to be an ego maniac of an atheist !!! ....but look what the world has got , .........me
......just living out my karma , ....and thorougly anoying my mother for not being what she thought would make for nice family photos on the mantle peice , .....
then when my sister was born she also wanted a boy , ...Hee Hee that was her Karma , ..get girls and learn that one dosent allways have to have ones desires met , ...life has its own desires and sometimes our lesson is to make the best of what we have (of what comes naturaly) .
my word what a long post , ....My mother would also have had the think for one self Gene removed from me if given the oppertunity , ....then there would be no one to argue with you about the dangers of modern technologies , ....how boring , ...
